Did JP self report WM's Improprieties?

**CyCloned** · 03-08-2010, 01:54 PM

After LE the program had a black eye and Wayne was not helping the situation. I know there were lots of rumor flying around that several players had quit going to classes.

**StLouisClone** · 03-08-2010, 02:02 PM

Both WM and GM are nice guys. Both took over teams that were either 17-14 or 16-14 in the previous season. That seems to be where the similarities end. WM was successful; GM has not been successful. WM was fired; GM will be back next year.

Unless GM can pull off a miracle in the Big 12 tournament, he's going to go into next season with a huge target on his back. There will be hundreds, if not thousands, of ISU fans who are well aware of the apparent double standard that has been shown by JP.

**CYKOFAN** · 03-08-2010, 04:11 PM

Not suprised by the JP press conference backing GMac, but it does expose the huge double standard by JP in the Morgan and GMac situations- that can't be denied. With Morgan JP made a lot out of the scheduling flap, which the NCAA said was a non-issue, as well as some sort of top secret info about Morgan running a loose ship and being a bad disciplinarian, even though GMac has proven he's looser on discipline than Morgan. George was the only player to get in trouble under Morgan and he was booted immediately. Contrast that to the way GMac handled the Mike Taylor and Chris Colvin situations. JP looks very bad and there is just no way to justify canning a succesful coach like Morgan after 3 years then continuing to back an unsuccessful coach like GMac after year 4. Not to mention the suffering of us fans going from post season fun and routinely beating ranked teams to another bad year followed by sitting at home again (barring a miracle this week).

**Ames** · 03-08-2010, 04:35 PM

If you went to a WM practice and a Mac one they aren't even comparable. I've been to pickup games at the rec that are more organized than a WM practice.

With Wayne you could see he was letting things slide and it needed to stop before it became a big problem. I haven't heard if he got any warnings and ignored them.

With Mac a worst case scenario is he doesn't get enough W's next year.

**gogagig** · 03-08-2010, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by CYKOFAN

Not suprised by the JP press conference backing GMac, but it does expose the huge double standard by JP in the Morgan and GMac situations- that can't be denied. With Morgan JP made a lot out of the scheduling flap, which the NCAA said was a non-issue, as well as some sort of top secret info about Morgan running a loose ship and being a bad disciplinarian, even though GMac has proven he's looser on discipline than Morgan. George was the only player to get in trouble under Morgan and he was booted immediately. Contrast that to the way GMac handled the Mike quiTaylor and Chris Colvin situations. JP looks very bad and there is just no way to justify canning a succesful coach like Morgan after 3 years then continuing to back an unsuccessful coach like GMac after year 4. Not to mention the suffering of us fans going from post season fun and routinely beating ranked teams to another bad year followed by sitting at home again (barring a miracle this week).

I really believe that part of the reason that JP did not make a coaching change is for his own job security. JP's job is quite safe if he makes one bad coaching hire in basketball. But if he were to make two bad hires, JP's own seat would be red hot. So, why not delay the second hiring as much as possible, he probably reckons.

**mtowncyclone** · 03-08-2010, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by CycloneYoda

I smell fish.

ewww....lingcod...gross

**gogagig** · 03-08-2010, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by Ames

If you went to a WM practice and a Mac one they aren't even comparable. I've been to pickup games at the rec that are more organized than a WM practice.

With Wayne you could see he was letting things slide and it needed to stop before it became a big problem. I haven't heard if he got any warnings and ignored them.

With Mac a worst case scenario is he doesn't get enough W's next year.

Let me guess. Mac is the only one at his practice, because everyone else already quit?

**BooneCy** · 03-08-2010, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by CYKOFAN

Not suprised by the JP press conference backing GMac, but it does expose the huge double standard by JP in the Morgan and GMac situations- that can't be denied. With Morgan JP made a lot out of the scheduling flap, which the NCAA said was a non-issue, as well as some sort of top secret info about Morgan running a loose ship and being a bad disciplinarian, even though GMac has proven he's looser on discipline than Morgan. George was the only player to get in trouble under Morgan and he was booted immediately. Contrast that to the way GMac handled the Mike Taylor and Chris Colvin situations. JP looks very bad and there is just no way to justify canning a succesful coach like Morgan after 3 years then continuing to back an unsuccessful coach like GMac after year 4. Not to mention the suffering of us fans going from post season fun and routinely beating ranked teams to another bad year followed by sitting at home again (barring a miracle this week).

Definition of Revisionist History: (please see above)

There was no secret to Wayne Morgan running a loose ship. Stinson and Blalock ran that team and the coach was quickly losing control. You didn't see people getting into trouble on Morgan's team because he didn't discipline. JP saw this, and knew he had to change it.

**Go2Guy** · 03-08-2010, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by gogagig

Were there no violations and WM was fired for performance? In which case, a massive double standard is being set here, and WM has grounds for a lawsuit?

It was the later. Morgan did nothing wrong and Jamie was eager to pull the trigger way too early so he could start building his empire.

Jamie is responsible for this mess; the buck stops with him and he's the one responsible for this lousy contract mess we have to endure.

**Mr Janny** · 03-08-2010, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by gogagig

I really believe that part of the reason that JP did not make a coaching change is for his own job security. JP's job is quite safe if he makes one bad coaching hire in basketball. But if he were to make two bad hires, JP's own seat would be red hot. So, why not delay the second hiring as much as possible, he probably reckons.

JP's seat isn't even close to hot. His statement about GMac, began by referring to the great shape the athletic dept is in. Some have called into question why he would bring that up when the topic is MBB. It's because Jamie is a smart guy. He's making sure everyone knows about his successes, and if those successes happen to form part of the argument for keeping GMac, so much the better, but that statement was all about JP.

**CYEATHAWK** · 03-08-2010, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by CyCloned

After LE the program had a black eye and Wayne was not helping the situation. I know there were lots of rumor flying around that several players had quit going to classes.

Ahh yes....those sinister "rumors" about Wayne Morgan. Can't get a enough of them. Heard one the other day that Wayne wanted the ISU head coaching job so bad...he photo-shopped LE's face and body in every picture. There are many that place him on the grassy knoll. Remember the space shuttle tragedy in 1986, yup..you guessed it. The Russians are still looking into rumors about Chernobyl, and I am sure there are some about what really happened on 9/11, and why we are STILL fighting in the middle east. He's one bad dude that's for sure, and ISU mens basketball is better off without him.

Seriously...KG said it right....he is getting a bad rap. And is there a double standard..probably. Won't be the first, or last time this happens. Does it make it right...absolutely not. But I have a distinct feeling from what I have read and seen today, that if next year at this time we aren't in any better shape...we won't have to worry anymore about double standards.

**Go2Guy** · 03-08-2010, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by BooneCy

Definition of Revisionist History: (please see above)

There was no secret to Wayne Morgan running a loose ship. Stinson and Blalock ran that team and the coach was quickly losing control. You didn't see people getting into trouble on Morgan's team because he didn't discipline. JP saw this, and knew he had to change it.

Talk about revisionist history; what give you the privilege of knowing who runs the program?

If Morgan had any of these deficiencies, then Jamie should have followed proper procedures and had a performance review; then outlined the path to progress. You don't fire somebody unless it's for cause - and Stinson running his mouth is not cause.

JP created this mess and made it worse with a lousy contract he negotiated with McD.

Everbody yaps about LE not getting a fair shake with a chance to correct his problems, but they don't seem to apply that to Morgan who got a bigger shaft from Jamie..

Jamie wanted his coaches in his program to show the world what he built; and as far as MBB goes, the foundation is in bad need of repair.

**SpokaneCY** · 03-08-2010, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by woodie

mcdemott's impropieties:
players leaving for other schools.
great coach for other big 12 coaches to play against.
monty's dirty dozen.

i am certain monty will be here sooner or later with the monty "dirty dozen gmac infractions"!!!!!!!

GMac just cost KSU a #1 seed in the show. Is that what you mean by being a great coach to play against?

**Go2Guy** · 03-08-2010, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by Ames

With Wayne you could see he was letting things slide and it needed to stop before it became a big problem. .

Then the proper way to handle that was to outline the issues and give coach a timetable to correct the problems; if he doesn't then it's grounds for dismissal.

Morgan was shafted out of an opportunity to correct any issues, if there were any to begin with.