When McDermott was hired, wasnt the bar set for great expectations

**cyclonefan1983** · 03-08-2010, 02:03 PM

shouldnt the bar be set at a high level for the mens basketball program after ISU fired Eustachy and Morgan...

Orr made ISU basketball with NCAA tournaments
Floyd maintain what Orr left
Eustachy went to another level with championships
Morgan even had is day in the sun with an NIT and NCAA tournament victory

McDermott

has yet to accomplish anyting that the 4 previos coaches had while coaching at ISU

**StLouisClone** · 03-08-2010, 02:08 PM

It seems McDermott's integrity is worth at least 5 or 6 years. Too bad integrity doesn't equal wins.

**isuno1fan** · 03-08-2010, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by cyclonefan1983

shouldnt the bar be set at a high level for the mens basketball program after ISU fired Eustachy and Morgan...

Orr made ISU basketball with NCAA tournaments
Floyd maintain what Orr left
Eustachy went to another level with championships
Morgan even had is day in the sun with an NIT and NCAA tournament victory

McDermott

has yet to accomplish anyting that the 4 previos coaches had while coaching at ISU

Johnny Orr never beat a #5 ranked (or higher) conference foe on the road. For that matter, neither did Tim Floyd. Not even sure LE did that feat either.

**Dryburn** · 03-08-2010, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by isuno1fan

Johnny Orr never beat a #5 ranked (or higher) conference foe on the road. For that matter, neither did Tim Floyd. Not even sure LE did that feat either.

LOL Seriously? You are going to use this now to justify GMac's record? Interesting that you have to say "conference" foe, and on the road. Helps to hide the fact that Orr beat Michigan #5 in 85-86 on a neutral site, and Purdue at #2 the next year also at a neutral site. Also, Floyd beat Kansas in 94-95 (#2) and 95-96 (#5) on neutral sites. LE by the way, beat Kansas 5 times in a row.......including on Kansas' home court in 01-02 when they were ranked 5th. Nice try though. GMac has a long, long ways to go when it comes to matching any of those guys in beating ranked teams, at home, on the road, or otherwise.

Unbelievable.

**Palmer** · 03-08-2010, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by isuno1fan

Johnny Orr never beat a #5 ranked (or higher) conference foe on the road. For that matter, neither did Tim Floyd. Not even sure LE did that feat either.

That is your best effort?

oh boy.

**joefrog** · 03-08-2010, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by Dryburn

LOL Seriously? You are going to use this now to justify GMac's record? Interesting that you have to say "conference" foe, and on the road. Helps to hide the fact that Orr beat Michigan #5 in 85-86 on a neutral site, and Purdue at #2 the next year also at a neutral site. Also, Floyd beat Kansas in 94-95 (#2) and 95-96 (#5) on neutral sites. LE by the way, beat Kansas 5 times in a row.......including on Kansas' home court in 01-02 when they were ranked 5th. Nice try though. GMac has a long, long ways to go when it comes to matching any of those guys in beating ranked teams, at home, on the road, or otherwise.

Unbelievable.

Wow. Way to bring the pain. Ouch.

Somebody has followed ISU hoops closely.

**fatmoldy** · 03-08-2010, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by Dryburn

LOL Seriously? You are going to use this now to justify GMac's record? Interesting that you have to say "conference" foe, and on the road. Helps to hide the fact that Orr beat Michigan #5 in 85-86 on a neutral site, and Purdue at #2 the next year also at a neutral site. Also, Floyd beat Kansas in 94-95 (#2) and 95-96 (#5) on neutral sites. LE by the way, beat Kansas 5 times in a row.......including on Kansas' home court in 01-02 when they were ranked 5th. Nice try though. GMac has a long, long ways to go when it comes to matching any of those guys in beating ranked teams, at home, on the road, or otherwise.

Unbelievable.

Regardless of anyones feelings about McD, that was some major, hardcore ownage.

**URBCLONE** · 03-08-2010, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by Dryburn

LOL Seriously? You are going to use this now to justify GMac's record? Interesting that you have to say "conference" foe, and on the road. Helps to hide the fact that Orr beat Michigan #5 in 85-86 on a neutral site, and Purdue at #2 the next year also at a neutral site. Also, Floyd beat Kansas in 94-95 (#2) and 95-96 (#5) on neutral sites. LE by the way, beat Kansas 5 times in a row.......including on Kansas' home court in 01-02 when they were ranked 5th. Nice try though. GMac has a long, long ways to go when it comes to matching any of those guys in beating ranked teams, at home, on the road, or otherwise.

Unbelievable.

GREAT post, Burn. Nothing like bringing the stone cold truth to the table!

**isuno1fan** · 03-08-2010, 02:39 PM

LOL...I am simply pointing out the GMac has done something others haven't.

Not defending his overall record by any means.

OP was wrong in his initial statement.

Enjoy your banter.

**CarolinaCy** · 03-08-2010, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by joefrog

Wow. Way to bring the pain. Ouch.

Somebody has followed ISU hoops closely.

I seriously doubt that was from memory.

**khaal53** · 03-08-2010, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by Dryburn

LOL Seriously? You are going to use this now to justify GMac's record? Interesting that you have to say "conference" foe, and on the road. Helps to hide the fact that Orr beat Michigan #5 in 85-86 on a neutral site, and Purdue at #2 the next year also at a neutral site. Also, Floyd beat Kansas in 94-95 (#2) and 95-96 (#5) on neutral sites. LE by the way, beat Kansas 5 times in a row.......including on Kansas' home court in 01-02 when they were ranked 5th. Nice try though. GMac has a long, long ways to go when it comes to matching any of those guys in beating ranked teams, at home, on the road, or otherwise.

Unbelievable.

The Purdue game was 87-88. Are you sure it was nuetral site, it's listed as West Lafayette, Indiana. I'm curious because I was looking up road wins against ranked teams and came up with 9 instead of the 8 being advertised, so you may be right.

Also the LE win over #5 KU in Lawrence was 00-01 (pry just a typo, but I'm a nitpicking a-hole

)

**Dryburn** · 03-08-2010, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by khaal53

The Purdue game was 87-88. Are you sure it was nuetral site, it's listed as West Lafayette, Indiana. I'm curious because I was looking up road wins against ranked teams and came up with 9 instead of the 8 being advertised, so you may be right.

Also the LE win over #5 KU in Lawrence was 00-01 (pry just a typo, but I'm a nitpicking a-hole

)

Guess I got the dates wrong a little. As far as the Purdue game.......it may have been at West Lafayette.....I think it was the pre-season NIT they used to have back then.

**Dryburn** · 03-08-2010, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by isuno1fan

LOL...I am simply pointing out the GMac has done something others haven't.

Not defending his overall record by any means.

OP was wrong in his initial statement.

Enjoy your banter.

But you are wrong. Granted Orr did not beat a conference opponent ranked 5 or above on the road. Not even sure how many times he played a team under those conditions. But Floyd and LE did beat conference opponents on the road, or at least at a neutral site when they were ranked 5 or above. A neutral site is not technically a road game, but then it is not a home game either.

It just seems silly to me to bring up that finally, in his fourth year, GMac beat a RANKED opponent at all......no matter if it was at a neutral site, road site, or at home........and then to try and hold that up like some big accomplishment of his compared to the other coaches. Seems to me like really stretching things.

If you want to compare GMac to those other coaches.......try these facts....

In 13 years, Orr was 23-67 against top 25 opponents. He beat his first top 25 opponent in year two. He beat at least one ranked opponent in 10 of his 13 years at ISU.

Floyd's record against top 25 teams was 7-20. He beat the first ranked opponent he faced (Kansas). He beat at least one ranked opponent in 3 out of 4 years.

LE went 12-21 against ranked teams. His second year, he was 7-3 against the top 25. He beat at least one ranked opponent in 3 out of 5 years.

GMac beat no ranked opponents in his first 3 years. His teams had never beaten a team they were not supposed to beat until this last Saturday, a string of 125 games. His record against top 25 teams is now 1-19.

Anyone who tries to portray any aspect of GMac's record as a positive thing compared to those other 3 coaches just looks foolish.

**Cyched** · 03-08-2010, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by khaal53

Also the LE win over #5 KU in Lawrence was 00-01 (pry just a typo, but I'm a nitpicking a-hole

)

Right. There's no way in hell we won at #5 KU with the 01-02 team

**cyclonenum1** · 03-09-2010, 07:27 AM

Originally Posted by isuno1fan

LOL...I am simply pointing out the GMac has done something others haven't.
 
Not defending his overall record by any means. 
 
OP was wrong in his initial statement.
 
Enjoy your banter.

Truer words were never spoken...four losing seasons in a row for one. Zero home wins v. ranked opponents for another (0-9 I believe). No post season appearances for another. Yep he is doing a lot that the others never did.

I hope you are enjoying the dope-slapping you are receiving on this thread.