Matt and Miller now

[Cloned4Life]

They're saying that if Greg McDermott was hired by BVD, that press conference would not have happened today, and that Mac would be so fired. Their reasons for this is Dan McCarney.

Well no **** sherlock. He probably would have been gone before this. You don't have the same leeway with those you don't hire. It's just how it is. It's completely normal at every university. It's human nature. This piece of the convo has zero relevance.

O and Dan McCarney "resigned" after 12 seasons. He was not 2 years removed from the best year in Iowa State's football history Matt. That occurred in 2000. Get your facts straight. The 2004 and 2005 seasons are close because the North was way down and we missed our easiest chances at getting to a championship game.

And you mention how Pollard won't go on your radio show because you'll play audio of him saying something completely different in the past...um, play this audio. Don't just say it, play it baby. If you are telling me Pollard said something 2 years ago or last fall and has since done a 180, play the EXACT audio or read the EXACT press release of him saying so and Prove it. Don't put forth your interpretation of what happened or what was said 2 years ago or in the past. Tell us exactly what Pollard said that PROVES he's a hypocrite. If you can't do it, well, than it's more garbage. And pleaseeee...if you are gonna throw anything Morgan related in this argument and how it relates to Jamie's "hypocracy," save it. He laid out the reasons for that when it happened and it's been hashed and rehashed a billion times here. It's over, get over it. Different circumstances, different times, different a lot of things. It's over.

Miller - no, there are not more people wanting Greg fired than Danny Mac. You are wrong on this. Mac got a lot of heat because after 12 SEASONS we'd seen how high we could go, we'd seen we were going back down, and after 12 SEASONS a majority of fans knew it was time. It's only a minority of fans that feel that way today about Mac. I'll admit, I've been put on the proverbial fence but knowing full well the AD was gonna support Mac at least for one more season, I was and am definitely leaning Pro-Mac, just like the majority of 'Clone fans.

And Chris - I get it, I know you don't want to burn bridges, it seems like you are friends with these guys - but please, when they say stupid ****, call them out on it. Throw it back in there face. Stand up for us a little bit. Don't back down every time they throw smack at us. For example, if Matt calls Jamie a hypocrite, don't say "Well...uh...uh...you'll have to talk to Jamie Pollard." Tell Matt to prove it by playing the audio or reading the press clipping or whatever factual proof he has to show that our AD is in fact a hypocrite. Shove it back in there face once in awhile. Stand up to them. When Matt's voice gets all argumentative and high pitched and whiny, laugh and throw it back at him with OUR side of the story. He's not right all the time, and I know he probably doesn't claim to be, but he sure acts like it sometimes. Show him what's up.

End of rant :) Off to the state tourney!

[stateofmind]

Very annoying delivery, but not necessarily wrong on this one. It's hard to see what the difference is between Macarney and McDermott, other than the buyout.

And just to beat a dead horse, if the buyout is what is really preventing a coaching change, there ought to be an AD change instead.

Football was going the wrong way after many more seasons.
Most on this board were worse than they are about McD. Every poll on here is more support for McD than negative. Not the case for Mac in the final season.
Football is the major revenue maker and ISU needed shaken to get the money flowing.

BB is holding steady after less time.
BB is still making money, not losing. The Ath Dept doesn't need the BB dept to pay for all of the facility improvements that were needed when Mac was here. We have most of them. Of course they still need to be paid for.
We aren't losing enough money to counter the cost to get rid of McD.

Those are just a few of the differences I see between the two programs. It pains me to rationalize why we got rid of Mac, I was at his house partying after his final ISU game against MU. He was a great guy and miss him around. But it was needed. I don't know McD at all, but I can totally understand the reasoning for keeping him. The one point I agreed with Matt about, JP is using the passion of ISU to buy some more time.

[CylentButDeadly]

Matt, you have no perspective when it comes to ISU athletics. I understand that you're still new to the area and learning the history that comes with the territory, but please save the forced shock-jock reaction for another topic, specifically another steroid scandal for one of your beloved Red Sox. I don't really care what your opinion on this matter is, but your reaction is forced and so over the top, it makes Sly Stallone want to arm wrestle.

[acody]

I wasn't around for much of McCarney, but did he have a lot of crazy-bad luck things happen to his teams too?

Yes, his crazy bad luck was that he was not a very smart coach and only seemed to do well when Bobby Elliot and Steve Loney were on the staff. Other than that he was a nice guy, hard worker, had a lot of integrity, etc. you know, the kind of qualities Pollard just quoted for retaining McDermott.

[Sportstalkmatt]

Matt, you have no perspective when it comes to ISU athletics. I understand that you're still new to the area and learning the history that comes with the territory, but please save the forced shock-jock reaction for another topic, specifically another steroid scandal for one of your beloved Red Sox. I don't really care what your opinion on this matter is, but your reaction is forced and so over the top, it makes Sly Stallone want to arm wrestle.

You are completely off base when it comes to the topic of Dan Mac and me. I have been covering that story for many years and I have never been in support of the reasons given to fire Coach. It was wrong then and wrong now.

I'm simply pointing out how "character" matters when it's your guy and not when he is isn't.

[TarHeelHawk]

^^^^^^^^^

**** just got real.

[khaal53]

You are completely off base when it comes to the topic of Dan Mac and me. I have been covering that story for many years and I have never been in support of the reasons given to fire Coach. It was wrong then and wrong now.

I'm simply pointing out how "character" matters when it's your guy and not when he is isn't.

You're right in some ways...I listened to him on your Omaha show many times.

His best season wasn't 2 years before he got whacked though. That, and the McDermott and McCarney issues are apples-to-oranges. Chris touched on it, but he's exactly right. It's a revenue issue and MBB and FB are a world apart in that respect.

[Sportstalkmatt]

So Is Iowa State a basketball school or not? That's what your AD says. So is it now a football school or does that AD flip flop to whatever program is doing well?

I said it today - consistency is becoming an issue for Pollard

[khaal53]

Whether ISU is a "football school" or "basketball school" is irrelevant. Football brings home 80-90% of the revenue. Apples and oranges with Mac and Mac.

[Al_4_State]

So Is Iowa State a basketball school or not? That's what your AD says. So is it now a football school or does that AD flip flop to whatever program is doing well?

I said it today - consistency is becoming an issue for Pollard

See post #13 for what's really going on.

[khaal53]

It isn't hypocritical at all. Football has to make money. Season tickets were going to be way down if McCarney came back. FB has to fund almost all of the athletic department. On top of that the fan base is much more fickle with football.

McDermott coming back is a financial decision that doesn't impact that AD near as much as if McCarney had come back. And on top of that, the fan base that shows up in Hilton is much more loyal.

[everyyard]

They're hitting the nail on the head, IMO. There are two possible reasons for Mac still being the coach at ISU:

1) Mac was his first big hire, and he's too stubborn to admit defeat.

2) Buying out Mac's contract makes less economic sense than a half empty Hilton.\

Pollard's reasons for keeping Gmac are extremely hypocritical. His performance is worse than Danny Mac's, and Danny Mac had just as much integrity and the other intangibles cited by Pollard. Pollard straight up isn't being honest about why Gmac is still the ISU coach.

agree here. not saying we should have hung on to mccarney but I really don't see the difference. Kudo's to Pollard for spinning it though instead of telling the world ISU just doesn't have the cash to pull the trigger on what most schools would have done last season.

[mwitt]

Other than trying to get people riled up and listen, I don't understand what the fuss is about. What was Pollard supposed to say? It was PR 101.

[khaal53]

Btw Matt, you really think that Pollard should've come out and said, "we wanted to fire him, we just couldn't afford it"? That's completely asinine.

[Tre4ISU]

You are completely off base when it comes to the topic of Dan Mac and me. I have been covering that story for many years and I have never been in support of the reasons given to fire Coach. It was wrong then and wrong now.

I'm simply pointing out how "character" matters when it's your guy and not when he is isn't.

First off post #13 is where you need to look. Second of all if you cannot see that Danny Mac had probably plateaued before he reigned you are blind. He really didn't leave much for CHiz to take over. IMO Chiz upped the talent pool significantly in just two years here. Having said that, when it happened I felt the same about it then as I do about this. I can see the reasons either way. I am excited to see what Mac does next year and I would have been excited to see what the new guy did had he gone. I was honestly indifferent to a coaching change.

I think most on here would agree that it was time to part ways with Dan. I also think a lot of them would say the same about Greg. I think there is a big difference. First, Dan had 12 years and he had a couple good seasons and then regressed. I wouldn't say Mac has totally regressed. Certainly he hasn't gotten any better, but he hasn't gotten to a level then started a downward trend.