Matt and Miller now

[Al_4_State]

I'm not sure if we don't have the money to can Greg, but I do think it's very possible that its just cheaper to wait another year at a partially full Hilton, then to can him and hope we can fill it.

[Sportstalkmatt]

So the team sucked in year 1 and sucked in year 4 - so keep em.

But if the team sucks in year 1 - goes through the best run in school history - then goes back down a touch - FIRE THE JERK!

ok.

[Tre4ISU]

So the team sucked in year 1 and sucked in year 4 - so keep em.

But if the team sucks in year 1 - goes through the best run in school history - then goes back down a touch - FIRE THE JERK!

ok.

A touch? Did you see some of the talent that was on Chiziks teams?

[khaal53]

I'm not sure if we don't have the money to can Greg, but I do think it's very possible that its just cheaper to wait another year.

I think the AD could've afforded it in the sense that they could find the money, but the detriment that could cause the AD as a whole was too much of a negative. If you want to circle back and blame Pollard for the contract that's entirely fair but I personally think Pollard has done too many good things for ISU to can him at this point.

[khaal53]

So the team sucked in year 1 and sucked in year 4 - so keep em.

But if the team sucks in year 1 - goes through the best run in school history - then goes back down a touch - FIRE THE JERK!

ok.

It was much more of a financial decision and the old "been there, done that" deal with McCarney. You and Ken were exactly correct though that it's a whole lot easier to fire a guy that you didn't hire. If Pollard didn't hire McDermott and he was in the same financial situation with the same buyout I'm not a 100% sure that he'd be gone though.

[ribsnwhiskey]

So the team sucked in year 1 and sucked in year 4 - so keep em.

But if the team sucks in year 1 - goes through the best run in school history - then goes back down a touch - FIRE THE JERK!

ok.

You are clueless and obviously just doing your best to stir the pot even more. When you have athletic administration credentials at a BCS school, then you can speak with the authority you think you have now. Until then, stick to whatever it is you do know. Creighton basketball? Woopy.

[Tre4ISU]

And in fact Mac had a terrible first 4 years as well. He then had the 9 win season and then had 4 7 win seasons and 4 and 2 win season. We weren't getting better. We were OK compared to what we had been in the past but we weren't getting better, we were getting worse. Again he had 12 years. He also had two big game opportunities to get to the B12 championship and didn't get it done.

Also, I didn't see Mac should be kept. I said I could see reasons either way.

[Clones85']

So the team sucked in year 1 and sucked in year 4 - so keep em.

But if the team sucks in year 1 - goes through the best run in school history - then goes back down a touch - FIRE THE JERK!

ok.

McCarney's last 4 seasons (out of 12), his record was 20-28 with a 9-23 record in conference.....and that was when the Big 12 wasn't as good!

He got 12 seasons and only once had a record over .500 in conference. Not to mention his recruiting became absolutely awful.

Now I love McCarney but are you really going to compare his 12 year FOOTBALL career to Greg's 4 year BASKETBALL career? Because it's apples and oranges, and for a guy who does sports for a living, you should know that

[stateofmind]

Now I love McCarney but are you really going to compare his 12 year FOOTBALL career to Greg's 4 year BASKETBALL career? Because it's apples and oranges, and for a guy who does sports for a living, you should know that

Matt doesn't do sports for a living, he TALKS about sports for a living. Big difference. I'm pretty sure that if I listened to the show more than once a month, I could pick up several things that he says that "contradicts" himself. Who doesn't contradict themselves from time to time. Hell, it's starting to sound like politics.

This is a personal issue with Matt and Pollard. Matt is mad that Pollard won't go on his show and it is obvious. Who wouldn't be mad? Especially when the actual journalist's on the same frequency can get him and coach on.

Keep going Matt, you'll end up just like your predecessor. Which is too bad, because you are obviously intelligent and have some really good takes at times, but shock-jock crap won't fly in Iowa. Save that for the big market when you get there. That will come sooner than later if you stop this word-picking, petty crap.

[jmb]

So the team sucked in year 1 and sucked in year 4 - so keep em.

But if the team sucks in year 1 - goes through the best run in school history - then goes back down a touch - FIRE THE JERK!

ok.

similar:
just as you are ****** at pollard for replacing Mac...I am ****** that you are the replacement for Marty-suckitude begets suckitude I guess.

[Cymon]

I think the best part is saying that Barta would have fired GMac. That is straight up laughable.

[Cubsfan]

Well no **** sherlock. He probably would have been gone before this. You don't have the same leeway with those you don't hire. It's just how it is. It's completely normal at every university. It's human nature. This piece of the convo has zero relevance.

O and Dan McCarney "resigned" after 12 seasons. He was not 2 years removed from the best year in Iowa State's football history Matt. That occurred in 2000. Get your facts straight. The 2004 and 2005 seasons are close because the North was way down and we missed our easiest chances at getting to a championship game.

And you mention how Pollard won't go on your radio show because you'll play audio of him saying something completely different in the past...um, play this audio. Don't just say it, play it baby. If you are telling me Pollard said something 2 years ago or last fall and has since done a 180, play the EXACT audio or read the EXACT press release of him saying so and Prove it. Don't put forth your interpretation of what happened or what was said 2 years ago or in the past. Tell us exactly what Pollard said that PROVES he's a hypocrite. If you can't do it, well, than it's more garbage. And pleaseeee...if you are gonna throw anything Morgan related in this argument and how it relates to Jamie's "hypocracy," save it. He laid out the reasons for that when it happened and it's been hashed and rehashed a billion times here. It's over, get over it. Different circumstances, different times, different a lot of things. It's over.

Miller - no, there are not more people wanting Greg fired than Danny Mac. You are wrong on this. Mac got a lot of heat because after 12 SEASONS we'd seen how high we could go, we'd seen we were going back down, and after 12 SEASONS a majority of fans knew it was time. It's only a minority of fans that feel that way today about Mac. I'll admit, I've been put on the proverbial fence but knowing full well the AD was gonna support Mac at least for one more season, I was and am definitely leaning Pro-Mac, just like the majority of 'Clone fans.

And Chris - I get it, I know you don't want to burn bridges, it seems like you are friends with these guys - but please, when they say stupid ****, call them out on it. Throw it back in there face. Stand up for us a little bit. Don't back down every time they throw smack at us. For example, if Matt calls Jamie a hypocrite, don't say "Well...uh...uh...you'll have to talk to Jamie Pollard." Tell Matt to prove it by playing the audio or reading the press clipping or whatever factual proof he has to show that our AD is in fact a hypocrite. Shove it back in there face once in awhile. Stand up to them. When Matt's voice gets all argumentative and high pitched and whiny, laugh and throw it back at him with OUR side of the story. He's not right all the time, and I know he probably doesn't claim to be, but he sure acts like it sometimes. Show him what's up.

End of rant :) Off to the state tourney!

Pretty much dead on.

[2forISU]

So Is Iowa State a basketball school or not? That's what your AD says. So is it now a football school or does that AD flip flop to whatever program is doing well?

I said it today - consistency is becoming an issue for Pollard

You should get JP on your show and ask him.

[Cubsfan]

So Is Iowa State a basketball school or not? That's what your AD says. So is it now a football school or does that AD flip flop to whatever program is doing well?

I said it today - consistency is becoming an issue for Pollard

I wonder if you are really that dumb or you just think we are. As others have said, it's money. Basketball makes some. Football makes a lot more. We could be a lacrosse school for all it matters. It still won't make the money of football.

I wish luck to those who decide to argue with Matt the rest of the night. It's like trying to talk to a brick wall.

[Al_4_State]

I think the AD could've afforded it in the sense that they could find the money, but the detriment that could cause the AD as a whole was too much of a negative. If you want to circle back and blame Pollard for the contract that's entirely fair but I personally think Pollard has done too many good things for ISU to can him at this point.

Me too. I'm not at all in the "can Pollard" group. I'm a fan of 90% of what he's done at ISU. He's brought a winning attitude to ISU, and tries to improve things as much as possible. He's brought us great facilities, and holds things to a higher standard. Except Men's Basketball. It's the one sport where he's clearly fine with ****. We aren't even mediocre right now, and Pollard is A-Ok with that. It is so diametrically opposed to how Pollard has treated anything else that it says he's either too stubborn to can his first hire, or he thinks we'll save money by keeping Greg another year, thanks to that moronic contract.

I'm really not down on Pollard. He's made a lot of good moves here, and I'm glad he's our AD. But I'm not going to ignore the obvious with this issue. He isn't perfect, and this is the prime example.