Will we be a better TEAM next year??

[CTTB78]

Even if we're better, we'll have a losing record, certainly in the Big 12. While that will not be shocking to most, the real qustion is-- how many more years can we expect the same?

[SwirlingFloater]

Look...I like CB and MG...their talent is clear and could often get their own shot when ever they wanted. But sometimes getting them the ball would create a virtual black hole for our offense. At times, it would seem like we would do everything to get them ball, only to see forced shots, poor decisions when double team and the rest of our offense left standing around waiting for them to create.

I hope you are right, I think it is possible our offense will flow better. I saw entirely too much standing around and lack of of ball movement and good shot creation this year. I never knew whether to fault the players on this or the coaching.

Like many others have mentioned on CF, I caught myself cringing repeatedly due to poor shot selection/forced shots from CB, MG and others. I am hoping for the best next year.

[larrysarmy]

I hope you are right, I think it is possible our offense will flow better. I saw entirely too much standing around and lack of of ball movement and good shot creation this year. I never knew whether to fault the players on this or the coaching.

Like many others have mentioned on CF, I caught myself cringing repeatedly due to poor shot selection/forced shots from CB, MG and others. I am hoping for the best next year.

Exactly...For every pull up 3 by MG...or 15 ft pull up J by CB. There was a palethera of MG driving to the basketball into double team or getting charges. Or CB hoisting a 25footer or shooting the same fall away jumper.

We may indeed lack one stud who could get his own shot when needed, but I'd take my chances with a self-less group waiting and finding the best shot more often than not.

[CyCy]

So we're going to be a better club next year because we lose our top 2 scorers and don't have anybody back who averaged over 10 ppg.

When you look at other teams in the league do you say the following, "They weren't a very good ball club last year, but they're losing their top 2 scorers so they'll probably be a lot better next year".

Didn't I here the same refrain about Taylor and WJ - we'll be better without those guys.

In the B12 you win with stars, unfortunately we couldn't even come with an offense to do that.

[CyBobby]

I think that after four years of 15 wins per season on average its really clear to me that its gonna be More Of The Same Next Year....


15/16 wins 4/5 wins in the big 12 and more empty seats in Hilton.....


McDermott imo is just another mid major coach in over his head in a very good BCS conference and it really shows how tough it is for ISU to win in the big 12...


Hilton Magic is gone the glory days of Larry Ball is gone....

Nothing left boys but Losing and Apathy....Been There Seen It Done It Before!!!


Here We Go Again!!!!!!!!!!

[rholtgraves]

The people on this thread that argue we will be better because we lose Brackins and Gilstrap are truly delusional, or do not know what the are talking about. If it it wasn't for those two players we would have been losing games by twenty instead of 5. Brackins ended up taking outside shots because no one could get him the ball when he had good inside position, with the exception of Colvin sometimes, and when he did catch the ball downlow he was double teamed and everyone else just stood around and looked stupid. There were times where the team would go 6-7 minutes without scoring and it would corespond to not getting Brackins the ball. If we had good guards that could feed the post and drive and dish we would have probably won a lot of those close games. Also, think about the open looks people got because of Brackins and Gilstrap. Maybe the recruits we bring in will be really good and we will improve but to say that we will improve because we lost our two best players is just stupid.

Just think about how stupid this sounds; "kansas is going to be so much better next year because Collins and Aldrich won't be around" .

Anyone that thinks Dendy is better than Brackins is also delusional. Dendy can make shots within five feat from the basket and that is it. He can't shoot free throws and he is not as good of rebounder as Gilstrap or Brackins. Also, did you forget about his airball against UNI. Im not saying he is bad im just saying he is not as good as Brackins.

[Oldgeezer]

To be better this team needs to develop a synergy, that is, the whole is better than the sum of the parts. Sorta like UNI this year. The 4 top scorers in the Big 12 this year were L Dunn, Pullen, Huggins, and Anderson. Follow that with Clemente, Collins, Roberson, Tweety Carter and Muonelo and then look at the ISU situation. Nobody sees this, but Scotty played 8-10 games trying to recover from Mono, and physically looked like death warmed over, and surely lost 20 + lbs. But he averaged double figures and guarded the opponents best perimeter player during this span. So next year's guard court begins with a healthy SC. Colvin is the best chance we have to find a PG that makes his team mates better by driving and dishing and getting the ball in the right place at the right time. And he has been told to prepare to play the 2 spot. Which means?? 1. Garret is still the PG? 2. Phillips probably isn't Big 12 ready? Our only hope is synergy.

[CYKOFAN]

The Big 12 has been tough for a long time and should be tough for the foreseeable future. How tough is determined in the NCAA tournament. But coaches past and present have had to deal with the fact that it's a tough league and eats up coaches that can't compete.

[clone4good]

I think we will be. I think one of Ejim, Oliver, or Clyburn (if signed) will be better than expected. If Phillips provides us with that scoring threat I think we will be fine. I just think the team will operate a lot more smooth on the offensive end.

Oliver will not play next year. Ejim is the one that HAS to step up next year. We also need to get clyburn and wilkins.

[Tre4ISU]

The people on this thread that argue we will be better because we lose Brackins and Gilstrap are truly delusional, or do not know what the are talking about. If it it wasn't for those two players we would have been losing games by twenty instead of 5. Brackins ended up taking outside shots because no one could get him the ball when he had good inside position, with the exception of Colvin sometimes, and when he did catch the ball downlow he was double teamed and everyone else just stood around and looked stupid. There were times where the team would go 6-7 minutes without scoring and it would corespond to not getting Brackins the ball. If we had good guards that could feed the post and drive and dish we would have probably won a lot of those close games. Also, think about the open looks people got because of Brackins and Gilstrap. Maybe the recruits we bring in will be really good and we will improve but to say that we will improve because we lost our two best players is just stupid.

Just think about how stupid this sounds; "kansas is going to be so much better next year because Collins and Aldrich won't be around" .

Anyone that thinks Dendy is better than Brackins is also delusional. Dendy can make shots within five feat from the basket and that is it. He can't shoot free throws and he is not as good of rebounder as Gilstrap or Brackins. Also, did you forget about his airball against UNI. Im not saying he is bad im just saying he is not as good as Brackins.

Really? In which close games were MG and CB ripping apart the other team while the rest of our team ****ed it up? Go ahead give me an example. Down the stretch, in close games, those guys were not scoring and making plays. MG hit a few garbage threes in a couple games but we were beyond the point of winning. Where were those two against Texas?

Also, CB did not work that hard at getting inside position. Teams figured that out and figured out he would settle for jumpers so they quit double teaming him and singled him up and let him shot 35%.

We had a similar drought against Texas. Brackins and Gilstrap were playing. Where were they?

I am not saying we will definitely better without them, but I am saying they were not single handedly keeping us in games.

[Dryburn]

The team may play better as a team.......that certainly does not mean they will have a better record.

CB and Gilstrap were 2 very athletic players. I don't see where the points and rebounds those two provided are going to come from next year.

[enisthemenace]

Really? In which close games were MG and CB ripping apart the other team while the rest of our team ****ed it up? Go ahead give me an example. Down the stretch, in close games, those guys were not scoring and making plays. MG hit a few garbage threes in a couple games but we were beyond the point of winning. Where were those two against Texas?

Also, CB did not work that hard at getting inside position. Teams figured that out and figured out he would settle for jumpers so they quit double teaming him and singled him up and let him shot 35%.

We had a similar drought against Texas. Brackins and Gilstrap were playing. Where were they?

I am not saying we will definitely better without them, but I am saying they were not single handedly keeping us in games.

I agree with this 100%.

The delusional ones are those who think CB and MG made this team better. They were far and away the best talents we had, BUT not the best basketball TEAM players.

If I look back on the season, I'm sure I can find more examples where CB (especially) and/or MG kept us from winning a game, than I can find where they kept us "in" a game (as yaman says, Texas is one).

Nobody can deny our biggest win this year, can they? Where were CB and MG when we pulled out the victory?

[enisthemenace]

The team may play better as a team.......that certainly does not mean they will have a better record.

CB and Gilstrap were 2 very athletic players. I don't see where the points and rebounds those two provided are going to come from next year.

It should be more spread out. I believe we won't have anyone average 15-16 ppg, but we will have more in the mid-range (9 - 12 ppg), because there won't be two people on the floor "trying to get theirs".

I believe we will be a much better "TEAM" next year.

[rholtgraves]

I agree with this 100%.

The delusional ones are those who think CB and MG made this team better. They were far and away the best talents we had, BUT not the best basketball TEAM players.

If I look back on the season, I'm sure I can find more examples where CB (especially) and/or MG kept us from winning a game, than I can find where they kept us "in" a game (as yaman says, Texas is one).

Nobody can deny our biggest win this year, can they? Where were CB and MG when we pulled out the victory?

Yeah sure, go ahead and try to convince yourself the problem this hear was craig and marquis. How would we be in the game against anyone without those two. Kstate: brackins had 19 points, marquis had 13 and 13 with 3 steals. the only reason we won that game was because kstate missed wide open shots they usually make, and garret actually made some big shots for once. but without them we wouldn't be in the game. Ask McD if he would want both back for next year. not that he is a good enough coach to do much better with them back. I would like to know what game CB kept us from winning that is laugable. you dont know anything about basketball.

[BryceC]

The delusional ones are those who think CB and MG made this team better. They were far and away the best talents we had, BUT not the best basketball TEAM players.

Really? Really? CB and Gilstrap didn't make the team better. I'm having "We'll be better without Taylor because he turns it over so much" and "Wesley was a pansy and we'll be better without his softness on the team" flashbacks.