Gilstrap Question

**dbronco7sc** · 03-12-2010, 01:15 PM

First off... the NCAA committee is terrible.

If you truly care about the player... give him the opportunity to get a degree to support his family instead of forcing him to take the risk of Pro-Basketball before he decides if he's ready. It should be his choice.

Second,

It sounds like Gilstrap will attempt the pro-route rather than pay his own way through another year of school. Which is the obvious choice when you're supporting a family and nobody can blame him. You need to take the option where you can earn money rather than spend it.

So my question is this: Does Gilstrap leaving without graduating hurt our program's graduation rate and possibly affect scholarships even though the NCAA are the ones that aren't allowing him to have another year on scholarship?

**cyismydog** · 03-12-2010, 01:16 PM

It can't hurt us, IMO.

**jtdoyle1** · 03-12-2010, 01:20 PM

I thought the NCAA ruling was that he would not get another year of eligibility not whether he is able to get a scholarship or not. Am I wrong in that assumption.

**khaal53** · 03-12-2010, 01:24 PM

It isn't so much about graduating as it is about being in good academic standing when you leave.

**dbronco7sc** · 03-12-2010, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by jtdoyle1

I thought the NCAA ruling was that he would not get another year of eligibility not whether he is able to get a scholarship or not. Am I wrong in that assumption.

I'm guessing if you are inelegible to play NCAA basketball, then you cannot get a scholarship to play basketball.

And there are rules to academic scholarships as well. You can't just give one to a guy because you 'feel bad for his situation' unless that is the only requirement of the scholarship. There are requiements that must be met, and there is an application process that needs to be open to anybody eligible based on those requirements. Not just one that you can give to whoever you want because you feel like it.

Anybody feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

**Clonehomer** · 03-12-2010, 01:50 PM

I guess he could be a grad assistant and get a scholarship through that.

**Tornado man** · 03-12-2010, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by dbronco7sc

First off... the NCAA committee is terrible.

If you truly care about the player... give him the opportunity to get a degree to support his family instead of forcing him to take the risk of Pro-Basketball before he decides if he's ready. It should be his choice.

I guess I never heard Gilstrap say he was coming back if the NCAA gave him a sixth year. Where did you hear this?

**Tre4ISU** · 03-12-2010, 01:56 PM

This really does suck because I really think he wanted to get a degree. Remember, his career was almost killed by an injury so he probably has a different mindset than a lot of these guys. I don't think he was thinking about coming back to improve his draft stock. I think he wanted a degree. What does the NCAA do in this case? Shoves him out the door.

**jtdoyle1** · 03-12-2010, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by dbronco7sc

I'm guessing if you are inelegible to play NCAA basketball, then you cannot get a scholarship to play basketball.

And there are rules to academic scholarships as well. You can't just give one to a guy because you 'feel bad for his situation' unless that is the only requirement of the scholarship. There are requiements that must be met, and there is an application process that needs to be open to anybody eligible based on those requirements. Not just one that you can give to whoever you want because you feel like it.

Anybody feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

Sorry, In your original post I thought you were saying he could come back for another year of basketball if he paid his own way.

**coachdags** · 03-12-2010, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by Tornado man

I guess I never heard Gilstrap say he was coming back if the NCAA gave him a sixth year. Where did you hear this?

Williams Blog: Apathy?I think not, Gilstrap/Brackins notes | Cyclone Fanatic

**RayShimley** · 03-12-2010, 01:59 PM

Someone else can correct me, but I'm pretty sure as long as he is in good academic standing when he leaves for the NBA (i.e., he finishes up his Spring semester classwork), then he won't hurt us in the eyes of the NCAA.

**mj4cy** · 03-12-2010, 02:03 PM

He can still get a degree from ISU just can't play basketball. Of course he has to pay his own way now.

**dbronco7sc** · 03-12-2010, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by Tornado man

I guess I never heard Gilstrap say he was coming back if the NCAA gave him a sixth year. Where did you hear this?

That's why my post that you quoted never said that "Gilstrap said he was coming back if the NCAA gave him a sixth year." and instead said "It should be his choice" [whether or not he chooses to try to go Pro or chooses to play basketball at Iowa State with an athletic scholarship that would also allow him to try to earn a degree]

**Tornado man** · 03-12-2010, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by coachdags

Williams Blog: Apathy?I think not, Gilstrap/Brackins notes | Cyclone Fanatic

I meant to ask, "where has Gilstrap said that he definitely would be back if the NCAA gave him a sixth year."
Gilstrap saying "more than likely" doesn't sound too committed to me.

**Tre4ISU** · 03-12-2010, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by Tornado man

I guess I never heard Gilstrap say he was coming back if the NCAA gave him a sixth year. Where did you hear this?

It's in a thread somewhere. He said if he got the year he was leaning toward coming back. He didn't say he was but simply from his words it seemed likely.