Calipari or McDermott

**Wesley** · 03-25-2010, 02:09 PM

McD is doing as well as possible for what he has. However, it is just that he has failed in holding onto players and then he must start over every year which gets us nowhere. We could have had a new coach and seen little difference in the results in their first year. We are stuck in neutral. Greg is a very long term fix. He builds slowly.

When Cal shows up, things get better for the school. He is what you call a short term fix.

**kg-cyclone** · 03-25-2010, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by PGreen ISU '92

This is my honest to God opinion of what I would like to see: GMac is our coach until the day he dies but in exchange he and JP have got to go to the press and start talking about who is dirty in college basketball and start invoking change. If as a result we isolate ourselves from the rest of the college basketball world and never win a game again than so be it. Nothing would make me prouder than being known as the one school who stood up to the system!

Would you settle for a book after Mac gets fired?

**Go2Guy** · 03-25-2010, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by deadeyededric

We would win a lot of games four three or for years then be on probation, which couldn't be much worse than right now.

ISU fans are no different than the general public. 75% wants sleazy! LOL.

We will sell our soul just for hardware. Unreal.

BTW - this poll is unrealistic; doesn't have to be one, or the other.

**jdoggivjc** · 03-25-2010, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by Wesley

McD is doing as well as possible for what he has. However, it is just that he has failed in holding onto players and then he must start over every year which gets us nowhere. We could have had a new coach and seen little difference in the results in their first year. We are stuck in neutral. Greg is a very long term fix. He builds slowly.

When Cal shows up, things get better for the school. He is what you call a short term fix.

If you consider a short-term fix smoking medical-grade marijuana as a "cure" for cancer...

**PGreen ISU '92** · 03-25-2010, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by kg-cyclone

Would you settle for a book after Mac gets fired?

I'm sure he could make more off a tell-all book than he could off of the remaining 5 years of his contract. I know I would read the book! It might even get made into a movie i.e. Blue Chips.

**Wesley** · 03-25-2010, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by jdoggivjc

If you consider a short-term fix smoking medical-grade marijuana as a "cure" for cancer...

He moves on quite a bit. He is a nomad. Wen the authorities catch up to him, he is looking.

**rholtgraves** · 03-25-2010, 02:24 PM

If the NCAA isn't going to punish coaches for their connections to Shady AAU people or people like World Wide Wes, then is it really cheating? I mean if the name of the game in today's college basketball is to get connected with certain people is it cheating or is just taking advantage of every opportunity. If it's going to be tolerated then shouldn't we be mad that our coach isn't willing to do all he can to get recruits and make our team a winner. That is what he is paid to do after all. He is making a lot of money on the hopes that he will win bball games and make money for the school. If he isn't doing all that he can to do that then shouldn't we be mad at him and not the people like Calipari? Im not saying it is right just asking.

**ajk4st8** · 03-25-2010, 03:04 PM

People who say McDermott doesnt cheat are basically just excusing the fact that he has been aweful here. Unless you are saying that Johnny Orr, Tim Floyd, and Larry all had to cheat to be successful in less than 5 years.

**jdoggivjc** · 03-25-2010, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by ajk4st8

People who say McDermott doesnt cheat are basically just excusing the fact that he has been aweful here. Unless you are saying that Johnny Orr, Tim Floyd, and Larry all had to cheat to be successful in less than 5 years.

???

I say that McDermott doesn't cheat. I also think he's been pretty darn awful here. Might want to clarify your point a little bit.

**snowcraig2.0** · 03-25-2010, 03:12 PM

Who are the other 21 that voted for Greg. You have to be kidding right?

**CykoAGR** · 03-25-2010, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by PGreen ISU '92

This is my honest to God opinion of what I would like to see: GMac is our coach until the day he dies but in exchange he and JP have got to go to the press and start talking about who is dirty in college basketball and start invoking change. If as a result we isolate ourselves from the rest of the college basketball world and never win a game again than so be it. Nothing would make me prouder than being known as the one school who stood up to the system!

God I hope this doesn't happen

**VeloClone** · 03-25-2010, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by rholtgraves

If the NCAA isn't going to punish coaches for their connections to Shady AAU people or people like World Wide Wes, then is it really cheating? I mean if the name of the game in today's college basketball is to get connected with certain people is it cheating or is just taking advantage of every opportunity. If it's going to be tolerated then shouldn't we be mad that our coach isn't willing to do all he can to get recruits and make our team a winner. That is what he is paid to do after all. He is making a lot of money on the hopes that he will win bball games and make money for the school. If he isn't doing all that he can to do that then shouldn't we be mad at him and not the people like Calipari? Im not saying it is right just asking.

The problem is coaches are not getting punished for much of what they are doing, but the programs are. The big issue is it's not just the things that are shady but okay under the rules. It's that they eventually find things they are doing that are clearly against the rules. Do we want Johnny O'Scumbag to skate out of here and our program to take the hit for whatever he did?

I may be naive, but I think there are still some relatively clean coaches out there who can be successful. I guess I am not willing to sell my soul to the devil for the whole world, I would rather get success in my little part of it the hard way.

**aeroclone** · 03-25-2010, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by VeloClone

The problem is coaches are not getting punished for much of what they are doing, but the programs are. The big issue is it's not just the things that are shady but okay under the rules. It's that they eventually find things they are doing that are clearly against the rules. Do we want Johnny O'Scumbag to skate out of here and our program to take the hit for whatever he did?

I may be naive, but I think there are still some relatively clean coaches out there who can be successful. I guess I am not willing to sell my soul to the devil for the whole world, I would rather get success in my little part of it the hard way.

Well, if my choice is to compete for final fours and conference titles for 4 or 5 years, and then suffer some penalties for a few years or to just suck for the entire 10 years, would rather win a little first.

**Cycloin** · 03-25-2010, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by snowcraig2.0

Who are the other 21 that voted for Greg. You have to be kidding right?

Not at all.

**PGreen ISU '92** · 03-25-2010, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by snowcraig2.0

Who are the other 21 that voted for Greg. You have to be kidding right?

I voted for GMac and proud of it. Honor before victory!!! You should be more ashamed for voting for a slime ball cheater. Calipari has two Final Fours with two different schools and both had to be vacated for CHEATING!!! What does that say about you?