BIG 12 Point Guard Statistical Comparison 2010-2011

I noticed about midway through this year some nice improvements from DG.....instead of trying to get to the tin everytime he seemed to perfect that 12 ft jumper. If he can continue that this year and Colvin/Phillips can provide the dribble penetration we need, maybe we won't be that bad.

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Originally Posted by DRCHIRO

Apples and oranges

DG's stats are fine but unfortunately they don't tell the whole truth.

The only stat I care about is the 44-52 record in his three years with no post season appearances.

A lot of people like watching him play and throw out his statistics which are decent, not bad and not great. Dan Marino had outstanding stats.

I appreciate DG for playing his tail off but I just can't stand watching him play. It's my opinion and some will agree and some will disagree. That's fine. I just do not ever see us winning with DG as our primary point guard.

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I don't think it's apples and oranges. I think it's relative.

Marion was a hall of famer that couldn't win a title.

Garrett is a good B12 point guard that can't get to .500.

I agree that we don't have enough guys that can get their own shot or create for teammates, I just don't pin all of that on DG (or the point guard position in general).

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Originally Posted by khaal53

I don't think it's apples and oranges. I think it's relative.

Marion was a hall of famer that couldn't win a title.

Garrett is a good B12 point guard that can't get to .500.

I agree that we don't have enough guys that can get their own shot or create for teammates, I just don't pin all of that on DG (or the point guard position in general).

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I don't pin it all on him either. In fact, we may be able to find a few people on the board who would like to pin it on some coaching.:jimlad:

I can see your comparison but the OP wanted to talk strictly about statistics. Statistically, DG is very serviceable point guard but those stats are not winning a lot of games.

I have to respectfully disagree on DG's ability to take the ball to the hoop. It just seemed like he couldn't finish. There were a lot of missed lay-ups. But he definitely could drive with the ball.

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Originally Posted by khaal53

Yeah, I lied a bit with the infinite number...but I would still say that there are more good point guards available than there are good teams as most would judge, ya know?

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Kind of a chicken and egg probelm. Good teams generally have good point guards, but if a point guard is good, his team is generally good, too. I think our team's record speaks for itself.

Honestly, when we're talking about point guard, I'm not concerned as much with pts and rebounds. I want a guy who is enough of a scoring threat to keep the defense honest, but I'm more looking for a guy who can control the tempo of the game in how they run the offense. Heck, I don't even care that much about assists- often the guy who created the play isn't the guy who gets credited with the assist (wish they got credited like in hockey). Game control should be the number 1 priority of a PG. Too much time dribbling with your back to the action and recognizing motion too late may not result in a lot of turnovers, but they also don't get the job done.

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Originally Posted by Jnecker4cy

Guys there was a thread about starting lineups for 2010-2011 and DG was a major topic. Well, I went and looked at Conference on statistics from this past year and compared them with returning point guards for next year. I came up with 8 guys to compare. John Roberson - Texas Tech, Diante Garrett, Jacob Pullen - KSU, Lance Jeter -NU, Nate Tomlinson - CU, Dash Harris - A&M, Keiton Page - OSU and Brady Morningstar - KU. Once again, I compared Conference only statistics for this last year and I looked at Assist per game, Points per game, Rebounds per game, Assist to turnover ration, Total Steals for conference games, FG %, FT % and 3-pt FG %. I assigned 1-8 point s for each catagory in rank from 1 point to the best to 8 points for the worst.

I know statistics do not mean anything, but alot of peopel like to make fun of DG and say he is not worthy of being a Big 12 point guard, well in terms of Point guards returning he faired pretty well. I will attach my spread sheet for people to look at if they want. However here are the results.

Roberson
Garrett
Morningstar
Jeter
Pullen
Tomlinson
Page
Harris


So interesting according to statistics John Roberson of TT is the most complete Point Guard in the Big 12, Diante is second and belive it or not Pullen is fifth. I would say Pullen is more of a scoring threat than most, but Roberson of TT scores also and does alot more things statistically better than Pullen. Oh, by the way DG has the best FG % of the bunch in Conference play, my guess is that will surprise some. DG appears to turn the ball over more than he should.

What does all this mean, not much, but I think that Diante is better than many want to give him credit for, and I think he probably is not quite as good as some want to make him out to be, but if statistics mean anything it tells us we should have one of the better point guards in the Big 12 next season, at least on paper.

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Really good analysis, thanks for posting that. It changed my view, but I must say, it does not jibe with what my eyes told me as I watched over 20 games this season.

Every time I see DG play, I think of Dan Marino.

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Originally Posted by joefrog

IF DG is great, and CB and MG are pro material, then can somebody please explain to me how we went 4-12 in conference. Again.

The stats that matter are wins and losses.

Point guard play is the biggest problem in the McD era. Period.

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Poor FT shooting. That right there probably cost us about 8 games overall.

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Originally Posted by Stormin

Poor FT shooting. That right there probably cost us about 8 games overall.

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MG and CB were more of the problem than the fix IMO. There was no such thing as clamping down on defense with both on the floor. Look at Nebraska, @ Kansas State, etc. Our runs came when Brackins was on the bench.

Pullen has primarily been a shooting guard the last two seasons. Clemente has played at the point. It is a little tough to compare apples to oranges as well as Pullen and Garrett.

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Originally Posted by CylentButDeadly

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His 3pt shooting percentage did improve this year, which was nice, and it will have to continue to improve if he's going to be our main scoring threat next year.

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If we have to rely on DG as our main scoring threat, consider me worried.

In all honesty you seldom "avoid" screens so there is always contact...even though DG is quick , a little more strength will help bounce off that contact a little better.

I think DG makes a better SG than a PG. If he hit the gym hard this summer to work on his 3 pt shooting, I would love a colvin/dg backcourt. People's main problem with DG seems to be his decision making.. if you gave that to colvin and let DG penetrate and score midrange (which he isn't half bad at), with the threat of the 3ball, I think he could be really good.