Colvin gone according to Fox Sports

**Wesley** · 04-14-2010, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by dtclones

Serious question. What are the chances of him having the type of season he needs to have. I mean, is he progressing well enough that we can rely on him?

All he has to do is shoot 30 per cent and not throw hot passes that we cannot catch.

**dtclones** · 04-14-2010, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by CycloneErik

He would be a redshirt freshman with no live game experience at this level. I'm sure he's got some amount of ability, but there's no way that he tears up the Big 12 as a guy with no experience.

Yeah, I agree with what you said, but when I say "having the season he need to have", it doesn't necessarily mean tearing up the Big 12. All I mean is a guy who can distribute the ball and make good decisions.

While I was typing that, I realized that it doesn't matter how good Bubu plays, we're screwed either way. Nevermind, I don't really care about Bubu's progression.

**CycloneErik** · 04-14-2010, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by dtclones

Yeah, I agree with what you said, but when I say "having the season he need to have", it doesn't necessarily mean tearing up the Big 12. All I mean is a guy who can distribute the ball and make good decisions.

While I was typing that, I realized that it doesn't matter how good Bubu plays, we're screwed either way. Nevermind, I don't really care about Bubu's progression.

Good point. He doesn't have to tear it up. I'm not sure who he could distribute the ball to that's going to score. We're going to be pretty limited in that regard next year.

**aauummm** · 04-14-2010, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by Wesley

The average then is about one per team per year. We are above average.

One transfer per team per year for every team in the country seems like a little too many to me. And yes, we are way above that figure and that is also too much. Are all of these kids wanting to be "closer to home"? Are they transferring to get more playing time or to play for a winning team or are their "soccer" parents messing around with the schools? Just rhetorical questions that I have in my mind.

There is no doubt that the college basketball scene is changing and I'm not sure that I like what I see. Maybe it's just that with the internet we are hearing more of the crap that is going on than we used to. Maybe its always been there we just didn't hear about it.

**snowcraig2.0** · 04-14-2010, 07:22 PM

I think what Pgreen is missing in his arguement is that there is no team left to hurt.<br> <br>
Compare this to Henry at <acronym title="Kansas Jayhawks">ku</acronym> who was riding the bench. His transfer would probably have helped that teams chemistry.<br> <br>
At this point colvin was our team and we literally have nothing left to lose or help by him leaving.

I think what he is missing are 98% of his functioning brain cells....

**SpokaneCY** · 04-14-2010, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by TheHelgo

Check out the list:

Transfer List

I'm amazed since there are over 200 kids on that list that there could be that many coaches other than GMac who don't connect with players or know how to coach
or are mean one day but not the next or.....

We've lost 2 starters in WJ and Ham and a most likely starter in CC in 2 years. Everyone else was basically looking for playing time. Not saying there weren't FAR too many recruiting misses, but we've only lost 3 frontline players over GMacs tenure.

**alarson** · 04-14-2010, 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by SpokaneCY

I'm amazed since there are over 200 kids on that list that there could be that many coaches other than GMac who don't connect with players or know how to coach
or are mean one day but not the next or.....

There are about 350 Division 1 basketball teams iirc.

He says he expects it to be 300 or so, so less than one transfer per team.

We are averaging *well* above that amount, every single year of McDermott's tenure.

**tyrelrobert** · 04-14-2010, 08:23 PM

Man I miss the good ole days when everyone on here was trying to figure out how we would fit barnes on the team because he would put us over the scholarship limit *sigh*

**Bigguns** · 04-14-2010, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by kg-cyclone

Hope Bubu can step up.

Hey! I was supposed to say that.

**cycloneML** · 04-14-2010, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by PGreen ISU '92

Losing Colvin will be a postive for this team! He was a 4-star recruit, has a great deal of God-given talent, and a has a lot of up-side potential. However, statistically he was horrible and he was an absolute cancer in the locker room.

moreso than gmac?

**Rural** · 04-14-2010, 08:41 PM

I heard somewhere that Colvin was just like TO and B. Marshall.

**aeroclone** · 04-14-2010, 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by SpokaneCY

I'm amazed since there are over 200 kids on that list that there could be that many coaches other than GMac who don't connect with players or know how to coach
or are mean one day but not the next or.....

We've lost 2 starters in WJ and Ham and a most likely starter in CC in 2 years. Everyone else was basically looking for playing time. Not saying there weren't FAR too many recruiting misses, but we've only lost 3 frontline players over GMacs tenure.

Did anyone ever stop to think that those non-frontline players that transferred out were the guys that should have been the starters of the future 2 or 3 years down the road? And that the fact that they aren't here is the precise reason that we haven't seen progress in the W/L column?

Those are they guys that need to be developing into the starters of the future while also giving you some depth off the bench in the mean time. Just because they weren't starters at the time doesn't mean it didn't hurt us.

Also, you missed Lucca, pretty sure a starter bolting mid-season should count as the loss of a frontline guy.

**CycloneErik** · 04-14-2010, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by aeroclone

Did anyone ever stop to think that those non-frontline players that transferred out were the guys that should have been the starters of the future 2 or 3 years down the road? And that the fact that they aren't here is the precise reason that we haven't seen progress in the W/L column?

Those are they guys that need to be developing into the starters of the future while also giving you some depth off the bench in the mean time. Just because they weren't starters at the time doesn't mean it didn't hurt us.

Also, you missed Lucca, pretty sure a starter bolting mid-season should count as the loss of a frontline guy.

Right. We're not developing that next wave of players because they're gone. So we count on newcomers and freshmen every year to build a team, but aren't building any sort of chemistry or cohesion along the way.

**cdekovic** · 04-14-2010, 08:53 PM

How is it that this sort of information is in some obscure hidden website in the massive internet and yet it is not available to the Cyclone public?

**BigBake** · 04-14-2010, 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by PGreen ISU '92

I must not be making my point articulately enough. Again, I think my Terrell Owens and Brandon Marshall analogies are somewhat appropriate in this case. I just don't think Chris Colvin is good for Iowa State. Just my opinion.

I see the point you're making but it's still a miss. Owens and Marshall were surrounded by players of near equal and sometimes better talent.

Problem in this situation is Colvin was the most talented guard we had and was bound to be the future of the team success wise. There is no way his departure will result in more W's next year. Yes, it may result in a better attitude among the team but their happy smiles don't mean jack when we're getting hammered by 40 courtesy of KU.