Greg's recruiting

**marothisu** · 04-19-2010, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by ajk4st8

I would argue that the 'supporting players' that he has brought to ISU have been absolutely terrible. A few nice starts and a BUNCH of really bad players

I think they are OK. I think many are "potential" players, but their potential hasn't really been brought out. You would think if they are around a few good players they'd improve, but maybe not.

I don't think Greg's recruiting has been horrible, but I don't think it's been great either. Given the situation, it's been OK up until this year maybe, but I think coaching has a lot to do with this. There are a lot of players who have come into college from high school and were not seen as that good and grew a lot with coaches (and surrounding players).

**ajk4st8** · 04-19-2010, 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by marothisu

I think they are OK. I think many are "potential" players, but their potential hasn't really been brought out. You would think if they are around a few good players they'd improve, but maybe not.

I don't think Greg's recruiting has been horrible, but I don't think it's been great either. Given the situation, it's been OK up until this year maybe, but I think coaching has a lot to do with this. There are a lot of players who have come into college from high school and were not seen as that good and grew a lot with coaches (and surrounding players).

You are right they are ok. I guess I just compare to the other teams in the top half of the Big 12, ACC, SEC, Big 10, and Big East.

We dont seem close.

**BigBake** · 04-19-2010, 09:01 PM

I won't rip his recruiting in yrs 1 - 3. He was a mid major guy with little to no connections. He got who he could. If anything I thought he did decent finding some talented players. (retention was another issue)

**BigBake** · 04-19-2010, 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by Clones85'

Fourth year we had below average talent. Yes we had Brackins and Gilstrap but other teams went 8 deep with solid talent. We went 2 to 3 deep

I will strongly disagree with this statement. With the talent we did have we grossly underachieved this year. Talent was not the issue, getting that talent to play to it's potential was the issue.

**TedKumsher** · 04-19-2010, 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by hursts

He has had many recruiting misses also in his short time here. While he has brought in some quality talent his main problem has been KEEPING that talent to stay in Ames.

Not that this has happened but . . .

But you don't need a ton of recruiting "hits", really -- like 6 every 4 years. Nobody has a 13 man rotation for major playing time. 6 sometimes 7 or 8. Otherwise you've got players who are developing, or scout team players, or practice guys or whatever.

I do wish people didn't leave so much.

**Clonefan32** · 04-19-2010, 09:05 PM

We've had more than enough talent that we should have been able to be competitve. We haven't had top 4 in the Big 12 type talent at all, but with what we've had we should have at least have 1 tournament appeareance and have been in the middle of the Big 12 the last few years.

**BigBake** · 04-19-2010, 09:06 PM

We will never attract blue chip players year in and year out. For a coach to be successful here they do need to be able to find the Haluskas, Eiks and Homan's that are a little under ranked and then get them player much much better.

Homan = success
Haluska = solid role player but shouldn't have been in a starting role.
Eik = never developed or around long enough to know.

**cykadelic2** · 04-19-2010, 10:27 PM

Originally Posted by snowcraig2.0

I have been reading allot of posts here regarding Greg's recruiting that say it has been a huge problem. Clearly, I am not in the Gmac supporter group anymore, but, I don't think these posts are very valid.

I think Greg has done a good job recruiting players to Ames. Even when we finished last season with 7 or 8 scholarship players, 6 of them were top 150 kids. Greg has brought 4 players in 4 years who have legit NBA potential into the program.

Greg's had plenty of problems in Ames, I just don't think recruiting is one of them. Maybe he will pull a rabbit out of his hat, and bring in that group that finally clicks this spring.

The biggest factor in GMac's unsuccessful tenure so far has been lack of quality guard play, especially PG play. The only guard to remotely come close to being all-conference quality was Mike Taylor who was a turnover machine as the primary ball handler.

**ajk4st8** · 04-19-2010, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by cykadelic2

The biggest factor in GMac's unsuccessful tenure so far has been lack of quality guard play, especially PG play. The only guard to remotely come close to being all-conference quality was Mike Taylor who was a turnover machine as the primary ball handler.

Exactly. Forcing a SG to play PG.

**Clonefan32** · 04-19-2010, 11:39 PM

Originally Posted by cykadelic2

The biggest factor in GMac's unsuccessful tenure so far has been lack of quality guard play, especially PG play. The only guard to remotely come close to being all-conference quality was Mike Taylor who was a turnover machine as the primary ball handler.

Yah, but Haluska was 1st Team All-Hustle and Petey was 1st Team All-Nice Guy...isn't that enough?

**nickwc** · 04-19-2010, 11:41 PM

check the 08 class and tell me he can recruit. There was not one legit player except for hamilton and well we know how that turned out.

**Wesley** · 04-20-2010, 12:07 AM

Team chemistry was a major problem. Players really put out in the KSU game and we were able to win one we did not expect. This may hint at a motivation problem also. That be the coach to fire up his players, not the players.

Still cannot believe we have not won a Big 12 tournament game in his tenure with all the road support.

**Chitowncy** · 04-20-2010, 12:20 AM

I am not a GMAC supporter either, but recruiting really hasn't been the problem. He's brought in some solid players, and I would venture to guess those guys would have been in the NCAAs two out of four years with Floyd, Eustachy and probably Orr and Morgan.

The two main reasons why we've been bad:
1. Retention (which everyone has alluded to);
2. GMAC's X's and O's. He rarely changes up defenses, constantly plays a slow-developing two-man game offense where everyone else largely stands around, and he never throws the other team for a loop, NEVER with changing defenses after makes or misses and we've basically never pressed either.

2.a. Plus, for whatever reason, he doesn't instill toughness in players. Trust me, toughness is something you can teach and it can be learned. I played a year of college ball and my college coach instilled so much toughness into me that I never knew I had (and a desire to get every loose ball / rebound). My high school coach didn't do any of that. Some of that may have been my mental maturation, but a lot of it was the coach.

College bball these days is a rough game; it's no longer the finesse game it once was. To survive, you have to take hits and body up on defense constantly. That's just something we haven't done well at all under GMAC.

ISU won't win as long as he stays around.

**CRAZYGREG** · 04-20-2010, 10:41 AM

Yeah - I am not understanding all of these people who are saying recruiting is not an issue. We have NO Big 12 talent on the roster anymore. Out of the last 4 years of the GMAC era, who is/was REALLY Big 12 material??

**TedKumsher** · 04-20-2010, 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by CRAZYGREG

Yeah - I am not understanding all of these people who are saying recruiting is not an issue. We have NO Big 12 talent on the roster anymore. Out of the last 4 years of the GMAC era, who is/was REALLY Big 12 material??

Off the top of my head:

tier 1 Brackins, Gilstrap, Wesley Johnson, Mike Taylor.

tier 2 Colvin, Staiger, Dendy

tier 3 DG, Hamilton, Boozer?