Bad to Worse

**jbhtexas** · 04-20-2010, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by acrozier22

That's because most people on here look at dunks and athletic ability and how well the kid can light it up in the Cap City League as the biggest factors of success at the D1 level. They don't look at shooting, strength, ball handling, etc....

Made a slight correction for you...

**JCloned** · 04-20-2010, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by pyrocyz

Hey, guess what...This conversation has been had 23 different times in the past 2 weeks...

Everyone gets it...The sky is falling...tomorrow is taking the day off and the world as we know it will cease.

Get over it. GMAC is here for next year. They are recruiting but its got to be a hard sell. I have confidence that we will sign at least 2 more players this year. Will they be world beaters...no, but if they can give 5-10 serviceable minutes next year, then I will be happy.

I am not sure if you are referring to whole thread or just some posts, but reality is things have changed in last couple days b/c of the aforementioned recruits who won't be signing.

Yeah I know Gmac is going to be here, and quite frankly, I think it would be a mistake on April 20th to make a change, so I am not advocating that. I am however pointing out that the odds of him turning it around next season went down rather significantly this week. Nothing would make me happier than a break out job saving year next year from Greg. I think with key experienced players we were targeting going elsewhere it is even less likely to happen.

**CyBobby** · 04-20-2010, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by acgclone

This program has hit rock bottom with or without these recruits.

Until there is a change, it really won't matter.

Amen Brother Amen.........................

**CyCloned** · 04-20-2010, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by JCloned

I am not sure if you are referring to whole thread or just some posts, but reality is things have changed in last couple days b/c of the aforementioned recruits who won't be signing.

Yeah I know Gmac is going to be here, and quite frankly, I think it would be a mistake on April 20th to make a change, so I am not advocating that. I am however pointing out that the odds of him turning it around next season went down rather significantly this week. Nothing would make me happier than a break out job saving year next year from Greg. I think with key experienced players we were targeting going elsewhere it is even less likely to happen.

I don't understand the fans that want to see GMac fail so he will get fired. For one thing, unless he does something that JP can fire him for and not have to pay a buyout, then he is going to be coaching at ISU next year and quite possibly the year after. JP has an agenda and he is going to stick to it. The best we can hope for is GMac doing okay next year and getting some recruits. If not, the cupboard will be as bare as anyone could imagine and ISU will look like an extremely unattractive job.

**CYKXBUT** · 04-20-2010, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by CyCloned

I don't understand the fans that want to see GMac fail so he will get fired. For one thing, unless he does something that JP can fire him for and not have to pay a buyout, then he is going to be coaching at ISU next year and quite possibly the year after. JP has an agenda and he is going to stick to it. The best we can hope for is GMac doing okay next year and getting some recruits. If not, the cupboard will be as bare as anyone could imagine and ISU will look like an extremely unattractive job.

What you say has lots of merit. Indiana (with a coach many here would die for) has tons of tradition, but it is taking them a long time to get the program turned around. They have had two seasons under Crean and some are already calling for his head.

**Cydkar** · 04-20-2010, 04:18 PM

I'm not a Crean fan.

**TheHelgo** · 04-20-2010, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by CYKXBUT

What you say has lots of merit. Indiana (with a coach many here would die for) has tons of tradition, but it is taking them a long time to get the program turned around. They have had two seasons under Crean and some are already calling for his head.

I'd take Crean at ISU in a heartbeat.

**isuno1fan** · 04-20-2010, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by TheHelgo

I'd take Crean at ISU in a heartbeat.

Don't think it would make a difference..IMO

**JCloned** · 04-20-2010, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by CyCloned

I don't understand the fans that want to see GMac fail so he will get fired. For one thing, unless he does something that JP can fire him for and not have to pay a buyout, then he is going to be coaching at ISU next year and quite possibly the year after. JP has an agenda and he is going to stick to it. The best we can hope for is GMac doing okay next year and getting some recruits. If not, the cupboard will be as bare as anyone could imagine and ISU will look like an extremely unattractive job.

Well said

**CloneIce** · 04-20-2010, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by CyCloned

I don't understand the fans that want to see GMac fail so he will get fired. For one thing, unless he does something that JP can fire him for and not have to pay a buyout, then he is going to be coaching at ISU next year and quite possibly the year after. JP has an agenda and he is going to stick to it. The best we can hope for is GMac doing okay next year and getting some recruits. If not, the cupboard will be as bare as anyone could imagine and ISU will look like an extremely unattractive job.

Nobody wants to see Gmac fail. Its just pretty damn clear at this point that he has failed so far, and it doesn't appear likely that is going to change going forward.

One of the main things that could have helped Gmac succeed going forward was signing at least a decent spring recruiting class, as we have tons of holes to fill and playing time to sell. So far, we have whiffed on our main targets. This will make it even harder for Gmac to succeed going forward, and increase the likelhood that he leave sthe cupboard bare, as you are worried about.

**CloneIce** · 04-20-2010, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by isuno1fan

Don't think it would make a difference..IMO

Why? Based on recent history, 80% of the past coaches in the last 25 years have succeeded here (lets define success as making the NCAA NCAA Tourney and winning at least a game).

If you take out our current coach, 100% of the past coaches in the last 25 years have succeeded here.

So I am sorry, but the facts indicate that your opinion on this matter is wrong. The facts state it would make a difference, and 80% of recent coaches have been successful here.

**isuno1fan** · 04-20-2010, 05:09 PM

Times have changed CloneIce. It isn't getting any easier for ISU to be successful in MBB.

If GMac is replaced in the future, I highly doubt the next coach will find any immediate success. This fanbase is going to have to decide how patient they are willing to be.

**LonoClone** · 04-20-2010, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by CloneIce

Nobody wants to see Gmac fail. Its just pretty damn clear at this point that he has failed so far, and it doesn't appear likely that is going to change going forward.

One of the main things that could have helped Gmac succeed going forward was signing at least a decent spring recruiting class, as we have tons of holes to fill and playing time to sell. So far, we have whiffed on our main targets. This will make it even harder for Gmac to succeed going forward, and increase the likelhood that he leave sthe cupboard bare, as you are worried about.

That's just not true. I know of several posters who hope he fails. One in particular plainly said that he would be cheering for ISU to lose next year, and that's something that I just don't understand.
Whether you love or hate G-Mac, the fact of the matter is that Pollard has made his decision, and Greg is not going anywhere for at least this next year. That's a fact. It's not going to change.
I guess I would rather spend the next year rooting for my favorite team, even though I might not like the coach, than rooting against them, in hopes that their lack of success will force Pollard's hand. To me, that's the whole point of being a fan. When the chips are down, you yell louder, because your favorite team needs to hear you now more than ever. And if the situation doesn't improve next year or the year after, and a change is made, I'm going to yell and cheer for the next guy.

**vmbplayer** · 04-20-2010, 05:29 PM

The only hope now is the new coaching hires we have coming can bring some talent with them. Really wish we knew more about the 2nd hire. I know next to nothing about what Nurse has for recruiting connections at this point. He's obviously been doing D-league for 2 years and was in Europe since '96 before that. Which is only relevant if he is even one of them.

I think whoever fills the coaching spots is going to tell us more at this point than who our potential recruits are (if we have any). There's no way we are going with like 11 guys. A couple injuries, grade problems, or Colvin type issues and you're suiting up grad assistants just to scrimmage.

As bad as things seem to be there is no way McD does not have something he's trying to get done right now (even if a long shot). He obviously hasn't gotten anything done at Iowa State but he's not so incompetent that he plans on banking a quarter of our scholarships. If he was you'd think JP would know and will pull the plug .

I know everyone wants to paint the JP and McD situation as so bad they aren't competent, but they are both wanting to succeed and they have to realize the current situation prevents that.

There's got to be something in the works, and if there is I'm not surprised no one knows about it because it seems the staff believes (rightly or wrongly) that message boards are killing recruiting. So with that logic they'll keep everything close to the hip so we won't be able to talk about the merits of the recruits we have.

**alarson** · 04-20-2010, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by isuno1fan

Times have changed CloneIce. It isn't getting any easier for ISU to be successful in MBB.

If GMac is replaced in the future, I highly doubt the next coach will find any immediate success. This fanbase is going to have to decide how patient they are willing to be.

And some people call those who are against GMac the negative ones.

I think that thinking ISU is such a bad place that its fans shouldnt expect what almost every other BCS program has done (and all others have had coaching switches) and be able to make a postseason in a 4 year period is far more negative than anything thats said by those who want GMac fired. If we dont think we can do what every single other BCS team can do, then we might as well fold up our basketball program and tear down hilton.