Bad to Worse

[KMAC_ATTACK]

Okay to contradict the sky is falling and there's nobody out there statements....

There are plenty of quality players out there that could be late qualifiers etc that people have yet to consider - but, if we have schollies and these kids qualify, we can offer....the thought of playing in the big 12 right away or not playing Div. 1 is a very real situation for some of these kids....

Check these kids out....only looking at 3-5 position players right now - i think thats our biggest need for next year.

D.J. Wright #8 Juco Player
D.J. Wright - Yahoo! Sports

Mamadou Seck #11 Juco Player
http://rivals.yahoo.com/jucojunction...RwVPQxhFx1WpB4

Jonathan Simmons #19 Juco Jonathan Simmons - Yahoo! Sports

Norvell Arnold #21 Juco
Norvell Arnold - Yahoo! Sports

Devyn Erwin #29 Juco
Devyn Erwin - Yahoo! Sports

Nick Thompson #32 Juco
Nick Thompson - Yahoo! Sports
Being recruited currently by New Mexico and Oklahoma.

Latiq Agard #50 Juco Prospect
Latiq Agard - Yahoo! Sports
Avg 17 pts a game shot 53% penetration is his game.

Antwond Roshell #57 Juco Prospect
Antwond Roshell - Yahoo! Sports
Recruited by Cinci, Penn St, LSU and others. Big 12 body and a consistent rebounder.

Dwight McCombs #60 Juco
Dwight McCombs - Yahoo! Sports
Currently recruited by Az St, Auburn, Depaul, indiana and others.

Guy-Marc Michel #66 Juco (7'-1" 265lbs)
Guy-Marc Michel - Yahoo! Sports
Currently recruited by Gonzaga and Colorado and others.

Rayshawn Goins #78 Juco (3* Prospect)
Rayshawn Goins - Yahoo! Sports
No major offers, but a big body at 6'-6" and 250 lbs...out of high school recruited by ohio st, cincy, michigan, mich st, NC, and purdue...

How bout this guy...

Delwan Graham #140 Juco list....
Delwan Graham - Yahoo! Sports

Originally signed to LSU out of high school and screwed up - lost his schollie. Went to Chipola and is slated to graduate. But, out of HS he was ranked as the 23 best prospect for PF in the 2008 class. Player Evaluation:
One of the top athletes in his class, especially when it comes to leaping and running in transition. Powerful kid who would excel in up and down style.

Bottom line is guys, as much as we all dislike the situation - its time to make the best of it rather then continuing to hate - our hatred of the situation is not helping at all. Trust me, i could vent and be disgusted as much as anyone else.. There is a ton of talented kids out there still available - especially JUCO kids, we just need to find one-two quality kids ready to contribute day one.....they're out there....

But, when it comes to getting new recruits excited about ISU, read these message boards and they're goin to Middle Tennessee State instead of ISU....

[jdoggivjc]

I don't understand the fans that want to see GMac fail so he will get fired. For one thing, unless he does something that JP can fire him for and not have to pay a buyout, then he is going to be coaching at ISU next year and quite possibly the year after. JP has an agenda and he is going to stick to it. The best we can hope for is GMac doing okay next year and getting some recruits. If not, the cupboard will be as bare as anyone could imagine and ISU will look like an extremely unattractive job.

Who actually wants GMac to fail? We all want him to succeed because that means ISU Basketball is succeeding. However, if you look at the roster (or lack thereof) objectively, you begin to realize that there is NO WAY we can possibly succeed next season.

What's really laughable is the lack of concern by some posters that continue to think that the inability to recruit is nothing to worry about and McDermott should bank those 4 scholarships - at this rate, when McDermott's contract expires, he won't be able to put a team on the floor...

[cyclonenum1]

Times have changed CloneIce. It isn't getting any easier for ISU to be successful in MBB.

If GMac is replaced in the future, I highly doubt the next coach will find any immediate success. This fanbase is going to have to decide how patient they are willing to be.

If??

Why do you doubt someone can have success at ISU in short order...the right guy can...and has in the past.

Patience...the ISU faithful have proven they are patient to a fault.

Jeesh!

[cyclonenum1]

And some people call those who are against GMac the negative ones.

I think that thinking ISU is such a bad place that its fans shouldnt expect what almost every other BCS program has done (and all others have had coaching switches) and be able to make a postseason in a 4 year period is far more negative than anything thats said by those who want GMac fired. If we dont think we can do what every single other BCS team can do, then we might as well fold up our basketball program and tear down hilton.

Amen brother!!!!

That is the ultimate in negativity...not believing ISU should make some sort of postseason in a four year stretch.

[cyclonenum1]

Player Evaluation:
One of the top athletes in his class, especially when it comes to leaping and running in transition. Powerful kid who would excel in up and down style.

I truly admire your optimism and roll up your sleeves and do some research mentality on trying to find something out there for us...I hope are coaches are doing the same.

However, I question if GM either wants to or is able to figure out how to use the attributes that Graham (described above) possesses.

[CycloneBax]

Maybe the strategy is to allow the new coach next year to bring in all the recruits. Won't have to worry about defections if only 3 or 4 players are left at the end of next year.

[marothisu]

So who has signed...? Railey, Ejim, and Phillips? Anyone else?

[snowcraig2.0]

Times have changed CloneIce. It isn't getting any easier for ISU to be successful in MBB.

If GMac is replaced in the future, I highly doubt the next coach will find any immediate success. This fanbase is going to have to decide how patient they are willing to be.

Frank Martin at Kstate disagrees with you.

[JCloned]

KMAK_ATTACK look I am with you in that I want ISU & GMac to succeed together. I want the players we have and have signed to be great at ISU. My point is the players we were on that we had established relationships with went elsewhere. I would love it if some of the guys you highlighted signed with ISU. None of them from your post currently list ISU and it is tough to move up the list late. Your point however is valid that we do have something to offer that other schools may not...playing time in BCS conference. The whole point of my post wasn't intended to be sky is falling, but simply these guys are not coming and it is going to get even tougher for GMac to pull it out, but i for one will be pulling for him and supporting ISU BB through all times thick and thin.

[TheHelgo]

Frank Martin at Kstate disagrees with you.

So does Mike Anderson

[Wesley]

Okay to contradict the sky is falling and there's nobody out there statements....

There are plenty of quality players out there that could be late qualifiers etc that people have yet to consider - but, if we have schollies and these kids qualify, we can offer....the thought of playing in the big 12 right away or not playing Div. 1 is a very real situation for some of these kids....

Check these kids out....only looking at 3-5 position players right now - i think thats our biggest need for next year.

D.J. Wright #8 Juco Player
D.J. Wright - Yahoo! Sports

Mamadou Seck #11 Juco Player
Mamadou Seck - Yahoo! Sports

Jonathan Simmons #19 Juco Jonathan Simmons - Yahoo! Sports

Norvell Arnold #21 Juco
Norvell Arnold - Yahoo! Sports

Devyn Erwin #29 Juco
Devyn Erwin - Yahoo! Sports

Nick Thompson #32 Juco
Nick Thompson - Yahoo! Sports
Being recruited currently by New Mexico and Oklahoma.

Latiq Agard #50 Juco Prospect
Latiq Agard - Yahoo! Sports
Avg 17 pts a game shot 53% penetration is his game.

Antwond Roshell #57 Juco Prospect
Antwond Roshell - Yahoo! Sports
Recruited by Cinci, Penn St, LSU and others. Big 12 body and a consistent rebounder.

Dwight McCombs #60 Juco
Dwight McCombs - Yahoo! Sports
Currently recruited by Az St, Auburn, Depaul, indiana and others.

Guy-Marc Michel #66 Juco (7'-1" 265lbs)
Guy-Marc Michel - Yahoo! Sports
Currently recruited by Gonzaga and Colorado and others.

Rayshawn Goins #78 Juco (3* Prospect)
Rayshawn Goins - Yahoo! Sports
No major offers, but a big body at 6'-6" and 250 lbs...out of high school recruited by ohio st, cincy, michigan, mich st, NC, and purdue...

How bout this guy...

Delwan Graham #140 Juco list....
Delwan Graham - Yahoo! Sports

Originally signed to LSU out of high school and screwed up - lost his schollie. Went to Chipola and is slated to graduate. But, out of HS he was ranked as the 23 best prospect for PF in the 2008 class. Player Evaluation:
One of the top athletes in his class, especially when it comes to leaping and running in transition. Powerful kid who would excel in up and down style.

Bottom line is guys, as much as we all dislike the situation - its time to make the best of it rather then continuing to hate - our hatred of the situation is not helping at all. Trust me, i could vent and be disgusted as much as anyone else.. There is a ton of talented kids out there still available - especially JUCO kids, we just need to find one-two quality kids ready to contribute day one.....they're out there....

But, when it comes to getting new recruits excited about ISU, read these message boards and they're goin to Middle Tennessee State instead of ISU....

Looks like for survival we need to be Juco U.

[Wesley]

So who has signed...? Railey, Ejim, and Phillips? Anyone else?

You have it.

[KMAC_ATTACK]

KMAK_ATTACK look I am with you in that I want ISU & GMac to succeed together. I want the players we have and have signed to be great at ISU. My point is the players we were on that we had established relationships with went elsewhere. I would love it if some of the guys you highlighted signed with ISU. None of them from your post currently list ISU and it is tough to move up the list late. Your point however is valid that we do have something to offer that other schools may not...playing time in BCS conference. The whole point of my post wasn't intended to be sky is falling, but simply these guys are not coming and it is going to get even tougher for GMac to pull it out, but i for one will be pulling for him and supporting ISU BB through all times thick and thin.

Looks like for survival we need to be Juco U.

JCLONED - 100% agree.....two things though...1-losing Robinson was critical to losing several of the recruits we were in on.....to say anything less is underestimating the recruiting impact that Robinson had while at ISU....he is sorely missed.....2-Alot of those guys were being recruited by big time programs, however, some of those programs will have backed off because of the early signing periods and thus reduces the bcs offers some of those kids have.......thus helping us....Trust me - Early playing time for a JUCO is extremely important.

Wesley - i hate to say it but YEP.....with what has occurred this year, we need big 12 bodys just to compete next fall - only option there is JUCOs. I'm surprised that were going after the Wisconsin kid, his body is no where near big 12 ready and thus were signing guys to redshirt? seriously, we could have 8-10 scholarship players, they need to be able to contribute - I know GMAC knows his fate is dependent upon next year, he needs to win.

[jdoggivjc]

Frank Martin at Kstate disagrees with you.

Wrong argument. Martin is living the high life based on what Huggy-Bear left behind. He's just maintained it so far.

That being said, Huggins proves the right coach can turn a bad situation around in short order.

[BryceC]

Times have changed CloneIce. It isn't getting any easier for ISU to be successful in MBB.

If GMac is replaced in the future, I highly doubt the next coach will find any immediate success. This fanbase is going to have to decide how patient they are willing to be.

Call me a debbie downer but I agree with you. Look at a program like Indiana - loaded with history, huge number of recruiting advantages ISU does not have, and they've been just awful two straight years. Just terrible. If McD is let go after next year we're likely looking at that kind of situation. At least it's a lot more likely than the alternative of immediate success. I have no problem with people wanting McD gone but I do have a problem with that assertation.