Parrish on White

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Originally Posted by Chitownclone2

Because we had such a bad program under Morgan during his 3 years? I sure had a great time at the NIT final 4 in NYC and the NCAA the 2nd year! I'd love to have these types of MBB experiences again soon!

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I guess I saw that Morgan took risks to get to where he was too. Morgan's risks were academic not criminal, but they worked out for him. Because of that, he was successful. He didn't have 5 star recruits knocking down his door, stinson and blalock were under the radar players that turned out to be very successful.

I'll agree with his point that ISU needs to take some risks to be successful, but the whole "Let's be honest, Iowa State is a difficult job" slant is B.S. In football, it may be a difficult job. In basketball, not so much. ISU has one of the best arenas in the country. It has some of the best attendance in the country. Its home court advantage is excellent (assuming the team gives the fans anything at all to cheer for). ISU went through a stretch from the early 90's to the mid 2000's where we had FOUR different head coaches make the NCAA tourney. ISU may not be KU or Texas or Illinois, but don't tell me that it's a hard place to win in MBB. It's not.

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Originally Posted by Clonehomer

I guess I saw that Morgan took risks to get to where he was too. Morgan's risks were academic not criminal, but they worked out for him. Because of that, he was successful. He didn't have 5 star recruits knocking down his door, stinson and blalock were under the radar players that turned out to be very successful.

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Will Blalock - Yahoo! Sports
Curtis Stinson - Yahoo! Sports
under the radar????

RW was a top 20 rated player. Is Fizer the only recruit we've had that was rated higher?

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Originally Posted by CTTB78

RW was a top 20 rated player. Is Fizer the only recruit we've had that was rated higher?

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Yes.

I thought Brackins was a top 20 recruit by some services. Am I mis-remembering?

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Originally Posted by Frak

I'll agree with his point that ISU needs to take some risks to be successful, but the whole "Let's be honest, Iowa State is a difficult job" slant is B.S. In football, it may be a difficult job. In basketball, not so much. ISU has one of the best arenas in the country. It has some of the best attendance in the country. Its home court advantage is excellent (assuming the team gives the fans anything at all to cheer for). ISU went through a stretch from the early 90's to the mid 2000's where we had FOUR different head coaches make the NCAA tourney. ISU may not be KU or Texas or Illinois, but don't tell me that it's a hard place to win in MBB. It's not.

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This!
4 different coaches taking us to the Big Dance in a 15 year period. That is an indisputable sign of a healthy program.
The GMac lows were so low that I think everyone forgets what we once were.

Edit* Well, other than the fact that we had 4 diff coaches!

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Originally Posted by Frak

I'll agree with his point that ISU needs to take some risks to be successful, but the whole "Let's be honest, Iowa State is a difficult job" slant is B.S. In football, it may be a difficult job. In basketball, not so much. ISU has one of the best arenas in the country. It has some of the best attendance in the country. Its home court advantage is excellent (assuming the team gives the fans anything at all to cheer for). ISU went through a stretch from the early 90's to the mid 2000's where we had FOUR different head coaches make the NCAA tourney. ISU may not be KU or Texas or Illinois, but don't tell me that it's a hard place to win in MBB. It's not.

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Exactly. The whole "its so hard to win at Iowa State crap" was never heard until Gmac became our head coach, and was mostly stated by Gmac's fans as a way to excuse his losing. If its just a tough job, how come 100% of our last 5 coaches not named Gmac were successful here?

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Originally Posted by RandomFan

I thought Brackins was a top 20 recruit by some services. Am I mis-remembering?

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No, he was not. You are mis-remembering.

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Originally Posted by CloneIce

Exactly. The whole "its so hard to win at Iowa State crap" was never heard until Gmac became our head coach, and was mostly stated by Gmac's fans as a way to excuse his losing. If its just a tough job, how come 100% of our last 5 coaches not named Gmac were successful here?

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Most people I know think it's hard to recruit to Ames for any sport, but possible for the right guy.

The last 4 coaches were successful at a job that doesn't have some of the built-in advantages, like a national title history, a big national name, and all that. It's a tough, but not as tough as Mac made it look. The four predecessors each showed that it could be done here.

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Originally Posted by MookInLincoln

No, he was not. You are mis-remembering.

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#20 from Rivals:

Craig Brackins - Yahoo! Sports

I agree with the fact that ISU has not had a lot of players with the hype of White, but so far all it is is hype. It is great that Fred is taking a chance on White and I agree it is the thing to do. I do not agree that the ISU job is extremely difficult or that ISU can only attract elite players if they are somehow flawed. Even GMac had some pretty talented players. They just never stayed around long enough to develop a winning program.

I think he was spot on, except for the "never get a player like that at Iowa State" part, but I agree, it's a risk that needs to be taken at this point in time.

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Originally Posted by MookInLincoln

No, he was not. You are mis-remembering.

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Yes he was.

Craig Brackins - Yahoo! Sports

Damn, someone beat me to it.

If KState is able to have a successful basketball program, there is no way Iowa State shouldn't. Let's not be quite as shady or recruit Puerto Rico so hard though.