Pollard on Facility Improvements

**GoShow97** · 10-11-2010, 09:16 PM

Originally Posted by alarson

Oh, i completely understand this. I understand why the delay is being put on, and we do have more pressing needs. GoShow is just trolling the board acting like theres no need at all for this board, while its clear that there is benefit to it through creating actual seats in place of grass seats.

You are good at putting words in other mouths. I never once said there was no benefit with bowling in the endzone. Not once. Please show me where I stated this. Again as in the past you attribute things to me that I have never stated but you can never show where I have stated this.

The only thing that I have said over and over again is the the endzone will not get bowled in until ISU starts winning consitantly and attendence increases and that it would be premature for ISU to do this given their current limited budget.

The only response you and others give to this is "but bowling in the endzone does not increase capacity".

**justcynn** · 10-11-2010, 09:18 PM

Go Show - we get it, you don't think a south end zone upgrade will happen till we sell more tickets...thanks for telling us 1,466 times...edit 1467 times

**everyyard** · 10-11-2010, 09:19 PM

The hillsides are killing us. We are screwed if we sell as many hillsides as we do as the regents and uneducated fans count them the same as seats and we are screwed if we don't sell hillside seats as we need that cash really badly. I am really starting to get comfortable with selling the name...and I LOVE the fact we are named for Trice but we have to move up in appearance as we are already sooooo far behind.

**alarson** · 10-11-2010, 09:21 PM

Originally Posted by GoShow97

The only response you and others give to this is "but bowling in the endzone does not increase capacity".

Which is true. Prior to tonight the assumption had been that the lower bowl would be done as a phase 1, where the upper deck would be held until later. It looks like now the AD wants to do this all at once. As just a lower deck, the project would just be giving those hillsides actual seats, and not increasing capacity in those areas at all. Giving those hillsides actual seats decreases the disincentive to attend created by cold, wet conditions that those hillsides often experience.

**GoShow97** · 10-11-2010, 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by justcynn

Go Show - we get it, you don't think a south end zone upgrade will happen till we sell more tickets...thanks for telling us 1,466 times...edit 1467 times

Yes, but not as many times as "but it will not inrease capacity" has been stated.

**Al_4_State** · 10-11-2010, 09:27 PM

Originally Posted by alarson

Which is true. Prior to tonight the assumption had been that the lower bowl would be done as a phase 1, where the upper deck would be held until later. It looks like now the AD wants to do this all at once. As just a lower deck, the project would just be giving those hillsides actual seats, and not increasing capacity in those areas at all. Giving those hillsides actual seats decreases the disincentive to attend created by cold, wet conditions that those hillsides often experience.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

**GoShow97** · 10-11-2010, 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by alarson

Which is true. Prior to tonight the assumption had been that the lower bowl would be done as a phase 1, where the upper deck would be held until later. It looks like now the AD wants to do this all at once. As just a lower deck, the project would just be giving those hillsides actual seats, and not increasing capacity in those areas at all. Giving those hillsides actual seats decreases the disincentive to attend created by cold, wet conditions that those hillsides often experience.

Yeah, assumptions. Alot of assumptions. Funny how that works.

**CtownCyclone** · 10-11-2010, 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by alarson

Which is true. Prior to tonight the assumption had been that the lower bowl would be done as a phase 1, where the upper deck would be held until later. It looks like now the AD wants to do this all at once. As just a lower deck, the project would just be giving those hillsides actual seats, and not increasing capacity in those areas at all. Giving those hillsides actual seats decreases the disincentive to attend created by cold, wet conditions that those hillsides often experience.

Not sure if this was what was meant. I thought that the footers would have to be sized and poured for the upper deck when you install the lower deck. Therefore, you'd have to assume that in some point in the future you'd add an upper deck, lest you pigeonhole yourself by cheaping out and going with the smaller footers.

Too bad civil work and concrete is pretty pricey

**hawkeyeh8r** · 10-11-2010, 09:31 PM

we should just sell the naming rights of the stadium/field to a place like barilla or another large business in iowa. we could do the same for hilton coliseum and probably bring in about 20 million dollars

**GoShow97** · 10-11-2010, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by Al_4_State

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

Yeah, the regents are funny like that.
How come they don't get it? I mean bowling in the endzone makes perfect sence and yet they don't get it even after it's been spelled out to them again and again.
Oh, wait. It hasn't even gotten presented to them yet by JP, because he knows it is premature and would get voted down.
The water shur is cold.

**twojman** · 10-11-2010, 09:33 PM

I believe bowling in the SE would create additional revenue streams. You can sell those season tickets for $125 instead of $99. There is a possibility of a club/suite section being added there which could be a big chunk of change. I do not know if this is part of the plan but I think a restaurant open year round would be a good idea there. This could be exclusively for some sort of club members on game day but open to the public year round. Not to mention the additional signage/advertising space that would be available.

**justcynn** · 10-11-2010, 09:33 PM

Well, 43,000 is the seated capacity correct? and 55,000 is the record crowd with no more seats? that would mean with my College of Business Mathematics (not near as fancy a calculator as you engineers) that they cram up to 3,000 in each hillside on the busiest event? Ask JP what the seating capacity is of the indefinitely unscheduled South End Zone project that is and then you will have a winner of the incredibly exciting debate. I do logically agree that when you don't sell the primary seating you have and have the upper ends marked down to rate that is likely below what you hope for on your proposed new seating - it is indefinitely delayed, I also agree with the crowd that says the Wet Cold hill deters fans (see UNI game where it was the wet, muddy hill), so if money were no object - we would have it, but since it is - we will have to wait for more success which equals more demand - there you are both right.

**HiltonMagic** · 10-11-2010, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by hawkeyeh8r

we should just sell the naming rights of the stadium/field to a place like barilla or another large business in iowa. we could do the same for hilton coliseum and probably bring in about 20 million dollars

No way we would get that much money. Naming rights have gone way down lately.

**hawkeyeh8r** · 10-11-2010, 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by HiltonMagic

No way you'd get that much money. Naming rights have gone way down lately.

combined for both the stadium names and for renaming the field/floor it would be easy to get. 7.5 mil for each of the stadium names over 10 years and 2.5 mil for the floor for 10 years. thats easily reachable...even for ISU. nebby could be looking at 50 mil if they did it

**Al_4_State** · 10-11-2010, 09:43 PM

Originally Posted by GoShow97

Yeah, the regents are funny like that.
How come they don't get it? I mean bowling in the endzone makes perfect sence and yet they don't get it even after it's been spelled out to them again and again.
Oh, wait. It hasn't even gotten presented to them yet by JP, because he knows it is premature and would get voted down.
The water shur is cold.

But yet, for all the reasons many of us have drilled into your head time and time again, if a donor steps up, this will be done as soon as the money as there. If not, yeah, we'll have to wait until there's "demand" for it.

Of course the regents will be opposed to something that is mostly aesthetic. That's really what the South Endzone has ALWAYS been about: aesthetics. Not about capacity. Aesthetics. The fact that actual seats are more appealing than sitting on wet grass is just gravy. The primary value has always been about making Jack Trice look and feel like a BCS stadium, and not about the capacity.