Irritating things babies do

**Clonefan94** · 12-08-2011, 08:11 AM

Man were my wife and I lucky when our kids were babies. They didn't fuss, never used a pacifier, usually slept through the night after about a month and only got sick about once a year. Then they learned to talk.

**Naughtius** · 12-08-2011, 08:14 AM

Get used to sleep deprivation, dads. My youngest is 9, and isn't a sound sleeper. He typically comes into my room once/week to tell me he can't sleep. And I should do what....?

And I have a 16-year old daughter who has an active social life. Cute, too, IMO, and the boys are starting to notice. So, yeah, until she comes home from her weekend outings, this guy doesn't sleep.

**drmwevr08** · 12-08-2011, 08:16 AM

I don't need to add much in here except to say that you grow a pretty thick skin the more you have :) Unfortunately, I've realized that you never know how easy you have it until you add one more and then say, wow 1, or 2 or whatever was easy, now THIS is tough! I suppose that too decreases once you have so many you lose count or start letting them parent each other (another beef entirely). We had 3 in 3 years and they mostly spend their little brain power finding new ways to try and make you yell or cry.

**00clone** · 12-08-2011, 08:17 AM

Originally Posted by isulive2train

^ Now teach him how to run the zone read and various coverages a DB might throw at him in 16 years.

I'm thinking more along the kicker line. Everyone wants their kid to be the starting QB. Trying to make him a kicker is playing the odds, IMHO. Plus, the way things are going, we'll probably still need kicking help when he's old enough.

**bos** · 12-08-2011, 08:18 AM

Originally Posted by drmwevr08

I don't need to add much in here except to say that you grow a pretty thick skin the more you have :) Unfortunately, I've realized that you never know how easy you have it until you add one more and then say, wow 1, or 2 or whatever was easy, now THIS is tough! I suppose that too decreases once you have so many you lose count or start letting them parent each other (another beef entirely). We had 3 in 3 years and they mostly spend their little brain power finding new ways to try and make you yell or cry.

This. No way could I handle more than 3. After our third came out, I had the doc slash n burn.

**CapnCy** · 12-08-2011, 08:19 AM

Originally Posted by Blandboy

That "how 'bout those Hawks" thing they say is about as annoying as it gets!

That's awesome! :)

My father in law is a Hawkeye (I dare say it, but a "good" one...cheers for ISU and we have good spirited banter).

They thought it'd be funny when our daughter stayed with them the first time to send her home in some "my first hawk shirt" type of things...I was very quick to thank them for our new rags to wipe up messes around the house. The funny thing is, they quickly learned that buying her those items was a waste of money...as i will not allow them to be worn in our house. :)

**Naughtius** · 12-08-2011, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by 00clone

I'm thinking more along the kicker line. Everyone wants their kid to be the starting QB. Trying to make him a kicker is playing the odds, IMHO. Plus, the way things are going, we'll probably still need kicking help when he's old enough.

I had similar thoughts, different position. Taught my kids that when they felt like tossing things while throwing a tantrum that they should throw them backwards between their legs.

**Angie** · 12-08-2011, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by CarolinaCy

Have raised 3 healthy, normal kids using the techniques outlined in the Babywise book, planning on using it for #4 who will be arriving tomorrow. The oldest is 4 and is 90th percentile for height and 70th percentile for weight. Our 2 year old twins are middle of the road for height/weight, and have had zero health issues.

The key to following books like Babywise is to be flexible and to listen to what your pediatrician is telling you. If the baby is growing appropriately and hitting all of the age appropriate milestones, then whatever you are doing is working.

I'm glad that it's working for you, but a few notes:

a) The height/weight of a 4-year-old have nothing to do with their thriving as an infant.

b) Ezzo is a minister, he knows absolutely jack about child rearing. The AAP is a much better source of information, as their whole job is to keep babies healthy. Here's what they have to say:

'Babywise' advice linked to dehydration, failure to thrive

Dr. Williams Sears is a much better source of information, and here's what he has to say on Babywise:

peaceful parenting: Train Up a Child in the Way He Should Go...

The AAP doesn't make up stories of infants dying. I'm glad that you were smart enough to use moderation (which is not what the book advocates), but many people are not. This is not a good method of child-rearing.

The AAP, WHO, and many other organizations recommend feeding a child on demand. As far as sleeping, cry-it-out methods increase cortisol in the infant's brain, which is a stress hormone:

peaceful parenting: Excessive Crying Harmful to Babies

**drmwevr08** · 12-08-2011, 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by bos

This. No way could I handle more than 3. After our third came out, I had the doc slash n burn.

We BOTH did after the third since he was a bit unexpected. We also already had a much older girl. Every wise *** we met had a story about the dad being fixed and still knocking up the wife, so double careful, then we still got one damn story about BOTH parents being fixed and still getting pregnant. People are very helpful I tell you.

**CyLoboClone** · 12-08-2011, 08:37 AM

Sleep training was very important. There are books.

**CarolinaCy** · 12-08-2011, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by Angie

I'm glad that it's working for you, but a few notes:

a) The height/weight of a 4-year-old have nothing to do with their thriving as an infant.

b) Ezzo is a minister, he knows absolutely jack about child rearing. The AAP is a much better source of information, as their whole job is to keep babies healthy. Here's what they have to say:

'Babywise' advice linked to dehydration, failure to thrive

Dr. Williams Sears is a much better source of information, and here's what he has to say on Babywise:

peaceful parenting: Train Up a Child in the Way He Should Go...

The AAP doesn't make up stories of infants dying. I'm glad that you were smart enough to use moderation (which is not what the book advocates), but many people are not. This is not a good method of child-rearing.

The AAP, WHO, and many other organizations recommend feeding a child on demand. As far as sleeping, cry-it-out methods increase cortisol in the infant's brain, which is a stress hormone:

peaceful parenting: Excessive Crying Harmful to Babies

The comment about my 4-year old was meant to show that she was always on the top end of height/weight since she was an infant. We probably followed the Babywise principles more closely with her than the twins, just because things were hectic with them for many reasons.

Where did I say that they AAP was making up stories about infants dying? Don't put words in my mouth.

If you're talking about Babywise, the bolded part is completely false, by the way.

**Angie** · 12-08-2011, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by CarolinaCy

If you're talking about Babywise, the bolded part is completely false, by the way.

It's actually not. Especially in older revisions of the book, one of which even recommended striking your child once a day (even if they haven't done anything) to "teach discipline."

It's sad that America has evolved to the point where scheduling in your child is considered acceptable. Read the above links that I provided from actual doctors, and you'll see what I mean. This site also has a ton more about Babywise:

Ezzo. Info - Babywise & Other Ezzo Programs

As far as sleep training, I have a 16.5 month old who has been either nursed or rocked to sleep every single night of her life. Sleep training is NOT crucial.

**Angie** · 12-08-2011, 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by CarolinaCy

The comment about my 4-year old was meant to show that she was always on the top end of height/weight since she was an infant. We probably followed the Babywise principles more closely with her than the twins, just because things were hectic with them for many reasons.

Where did I say that they AAP was making up stories about infants dying? Don't put words in my mouth.

If you're talking about Babywise, the bolded part is completely false, by the way.

Where did I say you were disputing the AAP??

**CarolinaCy** · 12-08-2011, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by Angie

It's actually not. Especially in older revisions of the book, one of which even recommended striking your child once a day (even if they haven't done anything) to "teach discipline."

It's sad that America has evolved to the point where scheduling in your child is considered acceptable. Read the above links that I provided from actual doctors, and you'll see what I mean. This site also has a ton more about Babywise:

Ezzo. Info - Babywise & Other Ezzo Programs

As far as sleep training, I have a 16.5 month old who has been either nursed or rocked to sleep every single night of her life. Sleep training is NOT crucial.

I think we've taken this derailment as far as it needs to go. You obviously have your opinion on the matter, and I have mine.

**Cyclonepride** · 12-08-2011, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by Die4Cy

Now that we're over 35 I am reminded that maybe we wouldn't have the energy for another little one, if we were to have another.

Everything in this thread, and I do mean EVERYTHING, is too familiar from our three kids, now 9,7,5.

Just take my advice and remember you will blink and they will be older.

I agree. I still think about my boy like he was four or five, just carrying him around on my shoulders, etc.. Then I look over, and he's covering the couch from end to end.