Horrible Fouls From a Highschool Game.

**IHavNoCyCash** · 01-05-2012, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by bringmagicback

I played at a school that was good at basketball and especially at my position. Needless to say I was a JV all star. Playing JV you run into these guys a lot. No skill at all and very low bball iq. Playing basketball against players that arent good at basketball is pretty dangerous as shown in the video. I suffered a few injuries including broken bones that wouldnt have happend playing against somewhat skilled players that knew how to play.

That being said im pretty sure that kids a ra **** and we shouldnt make fun.

i played at a somewhat small school (2A) and we were small...had 11 people out (it's a long story) so I played JV and varsity...guys are nowhere as bad as those teams looked in JV or play as dirty, even when I got triple teamed none of that cheap **** went down...so I think you are right in that the fatty was somewhat mentally challenged and sweatband has low bb iq

**3TrueFans** · 01-05-2012, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by snowcraig2.0

The best part of this whole thread is the immediate referral to 34 as 'fatty'. Classic.

Did ya see the guy!?!

**ruxCYtable** · 01-05-2012, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by AllIowaTeams

I pretty much agree with this. I didn't think that #1 was flagrant. I also don't see how anyone could think #2 was a flagrant foul. #3 looked flagrant to me. He elbowed the guy in the forehead. #4 clearly flagrant as it was a blatant push. #5 is just ridiculous. #6 didn't look flagrant to me either.

Somewhat getting into semantics here and I don't have the NFHS rulebook in front of me but I'm pretty sure the term "flagrant" actually refers to a fighting-type act whereas an "intentional" foul can be called for any number of reasons. One of those could be for excessive contact (like an unreasonably hard foul). I'll look it up later but I think a flagrant you are automatically ejected whereas the intentional carries no automatic ejection.

So I think there are a couple in there that definitely warrant an intentional foul for causing excessive contact (even the first one where he was clearly going for the block but he still caused excessive rough play, imo), whether the intent was really there or not. But after a couple of those I think you establish a pattern of behavior and even though some of the fouls in that montage weren't incredibly savage in nature I think I would have ejected him for the clothesline after what he'd done before.

**MissouriCyclone** · 01-05-2012, 07:47 PM

How the hell are you that bad at blocking??? This is why fat kids shouldn't play basketball.

**Tank** · 01-06-2012, 06:59 AM

Where is this game being held b/c I do not recognize the schools at all?

**drmwevr08** · 01-06-2012, 08:02 AM

As someone who was not good enough to play HS ball, but played whenever I could otherwise, I've seen a lot of goonish behavior. I'm surprised it wasn't spotted more easily with refs on the court though. Our HS had intramurals and we won that two years. The first year there was more goon stuff than the last, luckily we had a kid who made fatty look small and whenever one of the wrestlers/football guys/regular goons got off he would just follow them around for a few plays bumping them 20 feet out of the play. He wasn't malicious and never got called but it almost always freed up everyone else from the nonsense. I'm thinking these guys should play hockey. They'd be on the friday team, so called because they'd not be around for the weekend after ejections!

**marked5x** · 01-06-2012, 08:37 AM

In my view 1, 2, 5 and 6 were not flagrant.

3 and 4 were.

We didn't see the whole tape and obviously this was put together by the "offended" team, but there should have been some preventive officiating going on.

For me, the worst thing was the smile after one of the hard fouls. I would have had a hard time not ejecting the player for that.

**IcSyU** · 01-06-2012, 08:39 AM

I'm not sure as an official if I'd notice the smiling. It isn't like I stare the player down as I report it to see their reaction. I whistle it and then immediately look for a number so anything else happening I may miss (and have to hope like hell my partner is paying attention).

**HFCS** · 01-06-2012, 08:44 AM

#1 borderline, probably just hard foul
#2 fine, normal foul
#3 flagrant
#4 flagrant
#5 flagrant and probably should be ejected (if not for the foul, for laughing)
#6 hard foul on its own, flagrant for anyone who already saw #5

**3TrueFans** · 01-06-2012, 08:51 AM

Originally Posted by marked5x

In my view 1, 2, 5 and 6 were not flagrant.

3 and 4 were.

We didn't see the whole tape and obviously this was put together by the "offended" team, but there should have been some preventive officiating going on.

For me, the worst thing was the smile after one of the hard fouls. I would have had a hard time not ejecting the player for that.

5 NOT flagrant?

**BCClone** · 01-06-2012, 08:53 AM

I don't really see the shove as flagrant personally, the one where the 2 in red where going after the ball going towards half court. The one kid cut in front and tried to stop, there was going to be a collision and I think sweatband gave up the foul instead of running him over.

That being said, the bigger kid should have had something happen after the defense on the layup. I know there are to be no easy baskets, but this is over the top, if it was pure accident the kid would have at least shown concern about the other kid.

**IcSyU** · 01-06-2012, 08:56 AM

I'm not sure I'd call the push flagrant. Just call a personal foul for pushing.

**Clonegrad07** · 01-06-2012, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by ess108

1st-He was going for the ball. It doesn't look that bad in slow motion.
2nd-I don't see why you think this is flagrant. Going for the ball and actually got the ball by knocking it out of bounds.
3rd-Close. Maybe 34 just has a really slow reaction to the ball fake? He didn't hit him in the head so I wouldn't have called it flagrant.
4th-Flagrant. He clearly pushed a player right in front of the ref and wasn't going for the ball.
5th-REALLY BAD. It looked like 34 had a hold of the player's neck while throwing him to the ground. A broken neck could have resulted if the player had fallen correctly. If this isn't a flagrant foul I don't know what is...34 should have been ejected.
6th-Not that bad. 34's problem is he can't jump which is why when he goes for the ball he ends up fouling.

This is how I would have called them... or pretty close. The 4th, while a push, happens in many games... All of them were called fouls... The 5th one is easily the worst and should have gotten the kid thrown out.

**simply1** · 01-06-2012, 09:05 AM

There was a fatty fouler at the rec center some years back with older fouler too.

**IcSyU** · 01-06-2012, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by Clonegrad07

This is how I would have called them... or pretty close. The 4th, while a push, happens in many games... All of them were called fouls... The 5th one is easily the worst and should have gotten the kid thrown out.

The 4th happens in 95% of games multiple times on rebounds. Happens in 100% of men's games.

Of course, if some of this is flagrant, Stan the Geyser that still tries to play at Lied should be suspended nightly.