Windows 8

**Wesley** · 06-01-2012, 04:11 PM

Microsoft reinvents the wheel with Windows 8 - John Dvorak's Second Opinion - MarketWatch

Oh my, guys.

**MaccloNe** · 06-01-2012, 04:20 PM

Metro makes no sense on a desktop or laptop. Annoying and clumsy.

Who is the brain that came up with having a freaking menu called Charms?

This release will be like Vista and businesses will pass.

**alarson** · 06-01-2012, 04:28 PM

This will be worse than vista i predict. Vista actually wasnt all that bad once driver compatibility came along.

Metro would be decent on a tablet, but trying to force everyone into that on desktop\laptop is a very poor idea. The real reason MS wants this? They want programs\apps to go into their app store so they get a piece of the pie on every app purchased.

**CLONECONES** · 06-01-2012, 04:30 PM

Vista was fine....

7 is amazing

**jbhtexas** · 06-01-2012, 04:46 PM

At home, Ubuntu is really close to being and everyday OS for me. It still has some glitches with some of my hardware, but maybe one day that will be taken care of. I'd love to ditch Windows.

**wxman1** · 06-01-2012, 05:18 PM

Dvorak is overly dramatic about everything.

**Die4Cy** · 06-01-2012, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by Wesley

Microsoft reinvents the wheel with Windows 8 - John Dvorak's Second Opinion - MarketWatch

Oh my, guys.

Wow. Burn.

**Die4Cy** · 06-01-2012, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by CLONECONES

Vista was fine....

7 is amazing

I always assumed WIndows 7 was a repackaged and remarketed version of Windows Vista with a couple small tweaks. They just had to get away from the bad PR that they got when Vista underperformed out of the gate, so they renamed it Windows 7.

There is no way they did the major redesign of XP when Vista came out with plans to abandon that new platform 14 months later by introducing Windows 7.

They are the same, with different names, since Vista was stigmatized.

**kilgore_trout** · 06-01-2012, 06:03 PM

3.0, 3.1 (maybe it was 3.21)
95, 98
2000, XP
Vista, 7
8, ?

anyone else see an obvious pattern?

**kilgore_trout** · 06-01-2012, 06:05 PM

User Interface matters.

Originally Posted by Die4Cy

I always assumed WIndows 7 was a repackaged and remarketed version of Windows Vista with a couple small tweaks. They just had to get away from the bad PR that they got when Vista underperformed out of the gate, so they renamed it Windows 7.

There is no way they did the major redesign of XP when Vista came out with plans to abandon that new platform 14 months later by introducing Windows 7.

They are the same, with different names, since Vista was stigmatized.

**Skyh13** · 06-01-2012, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by Die4Cy

I always assumed WIndows 7 was a repackaged and remarketed version of Windows Vista with a couple small tweaks. They just had to get away from the bad PR that they got when Vista underperformed out of the gate, so they renamed it Windows 7.

There is no way they did the major redesign of XP when Vista came out with plans to abandon that new platform 14 months later by introducing Windows 7.

They are the same, with different names, since Vista was stigmatized.

Saying that Windows 7 was just a re-packaged version of Vista for marketing purposes with a few small tweaks is taking it a bit too far. Not every Windows release has to be a complete overhaul, and they don't plan it that way, either. Windows 7 would have been in the road map well before Vista flopped.

Vista was a huge overhaul of the entire system that Windows XP ran on, which was built upon similar stuff that Windows 2000 ran on. Similar to Windows 98 not being an entire overhaul of Windows 95.

Plus, alarson is right. Although there were certain things in Vista that Microsoft could have done a LOT better, hardware drivers were a disaster, seemingly because manufacturers got complacent with XP. So at launch, not only were there other marketing things going on which did hurt Vista, there were the driver problems and people not realizing that Vista was MUCH more resource intensive than XP. So businesses skipped, and by the time Vista was stable enough to consider deploying, Windows 7 was being talked about and rushed out the door. Which, Windows 7 could be pushed out early because all of the initial overhaul work had been done in Vista.

Now back to the topic at hand.. I think the Metro interface is interesting, and I believe it may be the absolutely perfect tablet interface. However, using it on the desktop... eh... we'll see. I like the idea of seeing something different on a desktop, as things haven't looked all that different in the Windows world for quite a while, but I don't know how well it'll go.

Hugs4ISU · 06-01-2012, 07:15 PM

Among the coming tweaks is the removal of the current Windows Aero interface, as Microsoft officials acknowledged in a blog post (buried toward the bottom) earlier this month. Another is an expected under-the-hood code change that will prevent users from adding third-party-developed Start Buttons or altering their systems to boot directly to the Desktop, avoiding the Metro Start Screen.

Windows 8: What happens next? | Microsoft - CNET News

But there IS a way to boot directly to the traditional Desktop UI, with the 'start' button and everything: don't use Windows 8.

**Lateralus** · 06-01-2012, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by jbhtexas

At home, Ubuntu is really close to being and everyday OS for me. It still has some glitches with some of my hardware, but maybe one day that will be taken care of. I'd love to ditch Windows.

Ubuntu is Mac OS just free.

Hugs4ISU · 06-01-2012, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by jbhtexas

At home, Ubuntu is really close to being and everyday OS for me. It still has some glitches with some of my hardware, but maybe one day that will be taken care of. I'd love to ditch Windows.

Unfortunately, Ubuntu proved that Microsoft isn't the only organization capable of massive stupidity. With version 10.04, Ubuntu had a really nice OS based on a tried-and-true interface called Gnome. Gnome was simple and refined, a lot like XP. So what do they do? They dump Gnome ENTIRELY. Just trashed it completely and started over with a piece of crap called Unity. With Gnome, all the apps are in menus and easy to find; with Unity, everything is buried and hidden in launchers that make no sense whatsoever. It is god damn pretty, but doing something that could be done in seconds with Gnome takes much longer with Unity.

**tim_redd** · 06-01-2012, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by Hugs4ISU

Unfortunately, Ubuntu proved that Microsoft isn't the only organization capable of massive stupidity. With version 10.04, Ubuntu had a really nice OS based on a tried-and-true interface called Gnome. Gnome was simple and refined, a lot like XP. So what do they do? They dump Gnome ENTIRELY. Just trashed it completely and started over with a piece of crap called Unity. With Gnome, all the apps are in menus and easy to find; with Unity, everything is buried and hidden in launchers that make no sense whatsoever. It is god damn pretty, but doing something that could be done in seconds with Gnome takes much longer with Unity.

I agree for the most part. Unity has improved greatly with every release since. And Gnome has changed greatly in that time as well. I prefer unity over the new gnome. Cinnamon from linux mint has me intrigued though...