It's funny though how backwards the pricing is in the US. There's so many foreign countries where our "organic" is their norm and their produce is CHEAP AS ****. Like our organic apples that cost $4/pound here are like 30 cents/pound over there. See: Europe.
I used to think Organic was all BS, and it partially is, but in a way it is healthier for most (not all) produce. I think it's more of the culture that bothers me, although going to Whole Foods and seeing all the hot women is a plus when i do go to WF. The other thing people don't think about is what the air and water is that's feeding the produce as it grows. If the water is polluted or the air is polluted which is feeding the produce growing, even if you don't spray the stuff, it's still not going to be perfect since the water and/or air was polluted too. It's really survival of the fittest though. Thing is some of the meat that you buy if you actually saw that at some farms is BS and disgusting, but whatever.
I wish it was more like some other countries where the organic stuff was actually cheap as ****. We should also stop feeding our kids un needed meds and putting chemicals everywhere while we're at it, but whatever.
To be honest I read more articles that says it's flat out not healthier and really is no different than normal fruit that have killed pesticides. One scientist I read actually said he thinks it's less healthy because your not killing parasites that the incesitsides actually kill.Quote:
I used to think Organic was all BS, and it partially is, but in a way it is healthier for most (not all) produce.
i don't know what the composition differences are between so-called normal v.s
organic fruit.you will have some chemical differences between the normal fertilized
vs. the organic fertilized fruits due to the quality of the nutrients you put around the soil of the roots of the plants or trees. i guess you can grow both kinds of fruits in a hydroponic system. put all of the chemicals through a mass spectometer and matching species of chemicals in the fruits will look alike,but will differ in composition between the two systems-normal vs. organic....we have a hungry world--we will need genetically engineered foods in the future to feed all of the hungry people in the world....
i am on a advisory group at the texas a and m experiment station in weslaco texas.
we have the fellow from brazil that took the genetic machinery from legumes and put it into sugar cane. they can produce ethanol in brazil for 50 cents per gallon.
we will need ethanol produced from corn stover,corn cobs,sorghum stover, and things like switchgrass.. our corn ethanol in iowa cost about 2.00 to 2.35/gallon to be produced....doing the transfer of the nitrogen fixing machinery from legumes into grasses saves lots of money compared to nitrogen made from natural gas....n.gas is cheap now,but in another 5 years natural gas will be back to 10-17 dollars per mbtu units... and nitrogen fertilizer will be expensive...
i have been searching the literature for nitogen-fixing bacteria and fungi. there could be natural bacteria that could invade the plant structure or bacteria that could be placed around the root of the plant that could fix nitrogen gas into nitrate nitrogen for the plant to use for photosynthesis. i have been searching for these things since the fellow from brazil did his classical work on sugar cane...i consider that a classical piece of science... . we need to feed the world.there are some hungry people in our world.people that cannot eat and survive will start riots and wars...we do not need more wars. we have too many of them now. look at our budget deficit. the people on earth need to get along with each other. i think that will never happen because civilizations have been at each other's throats throughout history...cheers.GO CYCLONES!!!!!
It depends what the food is and what environment it grew in really. Some organic is BS because of the above where there are foods which actually need the spray, ALTHOUGH it's totally possible the parasite or whatever it is never got to this fruit in an organic setting (either is possible obviously).
Then there's the chemicals which are used to grow things faster or larger to turn a bigger profit which aren't needed at all and I am a fan of eating "free range"/"grass fed" things i.e. beef, chicken. Tastes better usually, and it's a little healthier than the average **** you get at the supermarket. Unfortunately, again it's more expensive. Seems backwards.
Almost all of our E. coli O157:H7 exposure originates in the digestive systems of cattle (e.g. manure and whatever it's called before it leaves the cow). Organic standards do not allow manure to be used unless it's been thoroughly composted or applied well (i.e. 90 days) of advance of the harvest period. Conventional produce, on the other hand, does not have any such restrictions.
Of course, contamination can occur at many places along the food supply chain, such as manure on the tire threads of a truck that shuttles vegetable scraps between the field and a nearby cattle feedlot. As long as there are feedlots, there will be an increased risk of E. coli O157:H7 outbreaks because the crowding allows the organism to thrive.
On the subject of pesticide in fruit, it's better to include fruits and vegetables in the diet, even if they are conventional. The nutritional benefits outweigh the potential harm caused by the pesticides, at least in the majority of people. The wildcard is the harm caused to the farm workers who are potentially exposed to much higher doses, and to the spread into the air, soil, and water where they could have adverse effects on the other creatures who make up our environment.
The ironic part about organic is that the word means carbon based.... Most pesticides are carbon based. The only thing that is not carbon based in conventional farming is fertilizer which is way safer in conventional ag than organic!
The other ironic part is that most organic purchasers believe organic production helps the soil.... Which is incredibly more prone to erosion due to the huge amount of tillage required.
We have learned a lot from organic efforts that are good like cover crops and it's delivered many safer chemistries and drove away more toxic ones (organophosphates).
I would rather feed more hungry people than feed vanity.
......sorry.... Had to rant.....
The use of the word "organic" is just a marketing ploy. The marketers are just dooping all the unsuspecting hipsters of the world.
In all seriousness, I was told by a very High up at what was pioneer to just never eat organic tomatoes. other than you "should" be fine. But He wouldn't feed that crap to his family.