Organic Fruit

[rebecacy]

Before things get crazy...or excuse me "cray"

The "reason" behind eating organic fruit in particular is the know issue of fruit absorbing pesticides more than other produce. The skin is typically thinner and more susceptible to absorption added to the fact that fruity also has a much higher water content. The plant is taking a lot of what it is absorbing from its surroundings and holding it in the fruit.

If there is anything I try to focus on buying organic it is fruit. Not for the added nutrients...but for what is NOT found in it.

but test after test shows no more or less pesticide in organic vs conventional -- but they have people so scared they pay more for organic, just in case -- drives me nuts.

[marothisu]

I am in the middle of trading my old crap eating life style with a new one. I work out regularly and eat well also. However, I wanted to start eating Organic Fruit but i am reading up on it. No only is it not healthier than normal fruit. It costs twice as much and it's lowering the amount of produce for the world.

Am I missing something on this? I am not really sure why everyone is so impressed with this Organic stuff. Everything I have read from neutral parties and scientists say it is not any more healthy than anything else. So what gives?

It really depends on the fruit. Most things sprayed on our produce isn't good for you, but some of it is needed to combat against food borne illness. I think a GOOD producer of organic produce wouldn't run the risk of outputting unhealthy stuff.

It's funny though how backwards the pricing is in the US. There's so many foreign countries where our "organic" is their norm and their produce is CHEAP AS ****. Like our organic apples that cost $4/pound here are like 30 cents/pound over there. See: Europe.

I used to think Organic was all BS, and it partially is, but in a way it is healthier for most (not all) produce. I think it's more of the culture that bothers me, although going to Whole Foods and seeing all the hot women is a plus when i do go to WF. The other thing people don't think about is what the air and water is that's feeding the produce as it grows. If the water is polluted or the air is polluted which is feeding the produce growing, even if you don't spray the stuff, it's still not going to be perfect since the water and/or air was polluted too. It's really survival of the fittest though. Thing is some of the meat that you buy if you actually saw that at some farms is BS and disgusting, but whatever.

I wish it was more like some other countries where the organic stuff was actually cheap as ****. We should also stop feeding our kids un needed meds and putting chemicals everywhere while we're at it, but whatever.

[Knownothing]

I used to think Organic was all BS, and it partially is, but in a way it is healthier for most (not all) produce.

To be honest I read more articles that says it's flat out not healthier and really is no different than normal fruit that have killed pesticides. One scientist I read actually said he thinks it's less healthy because your not killing parasites that the incesitsides actually kill.

[rebecacy]

Depends on whether you care if pesticides enter your/your family's body. Check out these links, particularly re: non-organic foods without pesticides.

Foods heavy in pesticides:

Dirty Dozen: EWG Reveals List Of Pesticide-Heavy Fruits And Veggies

Foods without pesticides (no need to buy organic):

Pesticide Free

these are great examples of fear marketing pieces brought to you by the nonprofit advocacy organization Environmental Working Group --- which is a front for the organics. Organics are the biggest food scam ever.

[rebecacy]

To be honest I read more articles that says it's flat out not healthier and really is no different than normal fruit that have killed pesticides. One scientist I read actually said he thinks it's less healthy because your not killing parasites that the incesitsides actually kill.

the chances for an acute food incident (i.e. food poisoning from bacterial infection for example) are about 10 times higher in organic produce. once you have seen someone with E. coli O157:H7 poisoning you'll stop worring about pesticides that are not there anyway. It is a horrible way to die.

[woodie]

Depends on whether you care if pesticides enter your/your family's body. Check out these links, particularly re: non-organic foods without pesticides.

Foods heavy in pesticides:

Dirty Dozen: EWG Reveals List Of Pesticide-Heavy Fruits And Veggies

Foods without pesticides (no need to buy organic):

Pesticide Free

organic fruits are not much different than rock type fertilizer-natural gas nitrogen grown friuts. i guess that you can use certified organic chicken,hog,goat,cow,or horse t**ds on your organic fruit....
i don't know what the composition differences are between so-called normal v.s
organic fruit.you will have some chemical differences between the normal fertilized
vs. the organic fertilized fruits due to the quality of the nutrients you put around the soil of the roots of the plants or trees. i guess you can grow both kinds of fruits in a hydroponic system. put all of the chemicals through a mass spectometer and matching species of chemicals in the fruits will look alike,but will differ in composition between the two systems-normal vs. organic....we have a hungry world--we will need genetically engineered foods in the future to feed all of the hungry people in the world....
i am on a advisory group at the texas a and m experiment station in weslaco texas.
we have the fellow from brazil that took the genetic machinery from legumes and put it into sugar cane. they can produce ethanol in brazil for 50 cents per gallon.
we will need ethanol produced from corn stover,corn cobs,sorghum stover, and things like switchgrass.. our corn ethanol in iowa cost about 2.00 to 2.35/gallon to be produced....doing the transfer of the nitrogen fixing machinery from legumes into grasses saves lots of money compared to nitrogen made from natural gas....n.gas is cheap now,but in another 5 years natural gas will be back to 10-17 dollars per mbtu units... and nitrogen fertilizer will be expensive...
i have been searching the literature for nitogen-fixing bacteria and fungi. there could be natural bacteria that could invade the plant structure or bacteria that could be placed around the root of the plant that could fix nitrogen gas into nitrate nitrogen for the plant to use for photosynthesis. i have been searching for these things since the fellow from brazil did his classical work on sugar cane...i consider that a classical piece of science... . we need to feed the world.there are some hungry people in our world.people that cannot eat and survive will start riots and wars...we do not need more wars. we have too many of them now. look at our budget deficit. the people on earth need to get along with each other. i think that will never happen because civilizations have been at each other's throats throughout history...cheers.GO CYCLONES!!!!!

[marothisu]

To be honest I read more articles that says it's flat out not healthier and really is no different than normal fruit that have killed pesticides. One scientist I read actually said he thinks it's less healthy because your not killing parasites that the incesitsides actually kill.

That was really one of my points. It kind of goes both ways because there are pesticides that are needed to kill parasites and illness so you don't get sick eating whatever it is, but then there's foods that are sprayed that do kill these things but the effects on you are negligible if you eat it without it being sprayed.

It depends what the food is and what environment it grew in really. Some organic is BS because of the above where there are foods which actually need the spray, ALTHOUGH it's totally possible the parasite or whatever it is never got to this fruit in an organic setting (either is possible obviously).

Then there's the chemicals which are used to grow things faster or larger to turn a bigger profit which aren't needed at all and I am a fan of eating "free range"/"grass fed" things i.e. beef, chicken. Tastes better usually, and it's a little healthier than the average **** you get at the supermarket. Unfortunately, again it's more expensive. Seems backwards.

[Gordilly]

the chances for an acute food incident (i.e. food poisoning from bacterial infection for example) are about 10 times higher in organic produce. once you have seen someone with E. coli O157:H7 poisoning you'll stop worring about pesticides that are not there anyway. It is a horrible way to die.

Do you have a published source for this claim... and what are you comparing it to? Conventional?

Almost all of our E. coli O157:H7 exposure originates in the digestive systems of cattle (e.g. manure and whatever it's called before it leaves the cow). Organic standards do not allow manure to be used unless it's been thoroughly composted or applied well (i.e. 90 days) of advance of the harvest period. Conventional produce, on the other hand, does not have any such restrictions.

Of course, contamination can occur at many places along the food supply chain, such as manure on the tire threads of a truck that shuttles vegetable scraps between the field and a nearby cattle feedlot. As long as there are feedlots, there will be an increased risk of E. coli O157:H7 outbreaks because the crowding allows the organism to thrive.

On the subject of pesticide in fruit, it's better to include fruits and vegetables in the diet, even if they are conventional. The nutritional benefits outweigh the potential harm caused by the pesticides, at least in the majority of people. The wildcard is the harm caused to the farm workers who are potentially exposed to much higher doses, and to the spread into the air, soil, and water where they could have adverse effects on the other creatures who make up our environment.

[rebecacy]

Do you have a published source for this claim... and what are you comparing it to? Conventional?

Almost all of our E. coli O157:H7 exposure originates in the digestive systems of cattle (e.g. manure and whatever it's called before it leaves the cow). Organic standards do not allow manure to be used unless it's been thoroughly composted or applied well (i.e. 90 days) of advance of the harvest period. Conventional produce, on the other hand, does not have any such restrictions.

Of course, contamination can occur at many places along the food supply chain, such as manure on the tire threads of a truck that shuttles vegetable scraps between the field and a nearby cattle feedlot. As long as there are feedlots, there will be an increased risk of E. coli O157:H7 outbreaks because the crowding allows the organism to thrive.

On the subject of pesticide in fruit, it's better to include fruits and vegetables in the diet, even if they are conventional. The nutritional benefits outweigh the potential harm caused by the pesticides, at least in the majority of people. The wildcard is the harm caused to the farm workers who are potentially exposed to much higher doses, and to the spread into the air, soil, and water where they could have adverse effects on the other creatures who make up our environment.

"As long as there are feedlots, there will be an increased risk of E. coli O157:H7 outbreaks because the crowding allows the organism to thrive",... not even gonna try to discuss on here after this falsehood. I see you live in Omaha,.... be glad to meet to discuss, I'll bring my wife, the food technologist, and my source.

[terryk]

Do you have a published source for this claim... and what are you comparing it to? Conventional?

Almost all of our E. coli O157:H7 exposure originates in the digestive systems of cattle (e.g. manure and whatever it's called before it leaves the cow). Organic standards do not allow manure to be used unless it's been thoroughly composted or applied well (i.e. 90 days) of advance of the harvest period. Conventional produce, on the other hand, does not have any such restrictions.

Of course, contamination can occur at many places along the food supply chain, such as manure on the tire threads of a truck that shuttles vegetable scraps between the field and a nearby cattle feedlot. As long as there are feedlots, there will be an increased risk of E. coli O157:H7 outbreaks because the crowding allows the organism to thrive.

On the subject of pesticide in fruit, it's better to include fruits and vegetables in the diet, even if they are conventional. The nutritional benefits outweigh the potential harm caused by the pesticides, at least in the majority of people. The wildcard is the harm caused to the farm workers who are potentially exposed to much higher doses, and to the spread into the air, soil, and water where they could have adverse effects on the other creatures who make up our environment.

Gordilly, if rebeccacy chose to he can put Dr. in front of his name.
He has a PHD in this area.

[ISUKyro]

I was thinking that you could get a good look at a butchers *** by sticking your......wait.

It's gotta be your bull

[isuno1fan]

I am in the middle of trading my old crap eating life style with a new one. I work out regularly and eat well also. However, I wanted to start eating Organic Fruit but i am reading up on it. No only is it not healthier than normal fruit. It costs twice as much and it's lowering the amount of produce for the world.

Am I missing something on this? I am not really sure why everyone is so impressed with this Organic stuff. Everything I have read from neutral parties and scientists say it is not any more healthy than anything else. So what gives?

It's the tree hugger mentality <serious>

Pink Slime will kill us all!!!!

[CyBer]

"As long as there are feedlots, there will be an increased risk of E. coli O157:H7 outbreaks because the crowding allows the organism to thrive",... not even gonna try to discuss on here after this falsehood. I see you live in Omaha,.... be glad to meet to discuss, I'll bring my wife, the food technologist, and my source.

If you buy him a round I'm sure he will discuss it with you fully. He might even be easier to take home at the end of the night

[Let's Go State]

Do you have a published source for this claim... and what are you comparing it to? Conventional?

Almost all of our E. coli O157:H7 exposure originates in the digestive systems of cattle (e.g. manure and whatever it's called before it leaves the cow). Organic standards do not allow manure to be used unless it's been thoroughly composted or applied well (i.e. 90 days) of advance of the harvest period. Conventional produce, on the other hand, does not have any such restrictions.

Of course, contamination can occur at many places along the food supply chain, such as manure on the tire threads of a truck that shuttles vegetable scraps between the field and a nearby cattle feedlot. As long as there are feedlots, there will be an increased risk of E. coli O157:H7 outbreaks because the crowding allows the organism to thrive.

On the subject of pesticide in fruit, it's better to include fruits and vegetables in the diet, even if they are conventional. The nutritional benefits outweigh the potential harm caused by the pesticides, at least in the majority of people. The wildcard is the harm caused to the farm workers who are potentially exposed to much higher doses, and to the spread into the air, soil, and water where they could have adverse effects on the other creatures who make up our environment.

The funny part is that in reality, organic producers cannot wait and put it on before the requirements. Salmonella and e coli are so much more prevalent in organic food, but it's covered up.

The ironic part about organic is that the word means carbon based.... Most pesticides are carbon based. The only thing that is not carbon based in conventional farming is fertilizer which is way safer in conventional ag than organic!

The other ironic part is that most organic purchasers believe organic production helps the soil.... Which is incredibly more prone to erosion due to the huge amount of tillage required.

We have learned a lot from organic efforts that are good like cover crops and it's delivered many safer chemistries and drove away more toxic ones (organophosphates).

I would rather feed more hungry people than feed vanity.


......sorry.... Had to rant.....

[IASTATE4LIFE]

The use of the word "organic" is just a marketing ploy. The marketers are just dooping all the unsuspecting hipsters of the world.
In all seriousness, I was told by a very High up at what was pioneer to just never eat organic tomatoes. other than you "should" be fine. But He wouldn't feed that crap to his family.