Stepson whipped for failing to catch a ball

**TXCyclones** · 07-11-2012, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by CyPride

why don't you come over here and teach me!

i applaud the guy in the window for taking some action. while the majority of folks seem to turn a blind eye to those in need, he put himself out there. looked like the dad was whipping his boy with a 'cat of nine tails' type of whip.

It was a looped belt, and... isn't this how everybody learned growing up?

**Angie** · 07-11-2012, 01:17 PM

A reminder that personal attacks are not allowed.

**Cyballz** · 07-11-2012, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by chuckd4735

Oh come on! Its not like the dad pistol whipped the kid.

Unfortunately, this is exactly where our society is today. I'm not saying this kid deserved what he got at all, but I can think of many things that may warrant a beating. My mom slapped me across the face on more then one occasion for mouthing off to her, and I most defiantly deserved it each and every time.

Please don't breed. The only thing worse than thinking its fine to smack a kid for doing something wrong is thinking it is effective in curbing the unwanted behavior. Pretty much every credible study ever done with regard to effects of physical punishment has shown that it not only is ineffective but detrimental (actually most studies show any punishment is ineffective if not detrimental).

**Angie** · 07-11-2012, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by Cyballz

Please don't breed. The only thing worse than thinking its fine to smack a kid for doing something wrong is thinking it is effective in curbing the unwanted behavior. Pretty much every credible study ever done with regard to effects of physical punishment has shown that it not only is ineffective but detrimental (actually most studies show any punishment is ineffective if not detrimental).

Yep, all it does effectively is alleviate the parent's anger a little. Taking a 5-minute break and then deciding how to handle the situation would do the same thing without the negative effects.

**CyPride** · 07-11-2012, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by TXCyclones

It was a looped belt, and... isn't this how everybody learned growing up?

perhaps for you.

**TXCyclones** · 07-11-2012, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by Angie

I personally don't believe in striking a child for anything, that's just me. It doesn't actually teach the child to do the right thing for any other reason than fear of short-term pain. When that fear goes away (when they're older, or on their own without their parents around to beat them), they have no morals instilled in them for the sake of just doing right. IMO, there are much better ways of punishing and teaching a child. Everyone parents differently, this is just how we do it.

That fear of the pain is what taught me to catch the ball. But not from the pain of a belt. For me it was fear of taking another shot to the forehead. My dad would throw the ball so hard when I was that kids age that the glove was a tool for self-defense. If you didn't want to get hit in the face by the ball then you better catch the ball. While I don't agree with the tactic, it worked. I played baseball for ISU. Probably never would have happened without those "valuable" lessons.

**Angie** · 07-11-2012, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by TXCyclones

That fear of the pain is what taught me to catch the ball. But not from the pain of a belt. For me it was fear of taking another shot to the forehead. My dad would throw the ball so hard when I was that kids age that the glove was a tool for self-defense. If you didn't want to get hit in the face by the ball then you better catch the ball. While I don't agree with the tactic, it worked. I played baseball for ISU. Probably never would have happened without those "valuable" lessons.

You're talking about sports. I'm not. I'm talking about the rest of life, which is vastly bigger for most people.

**chuckd4735** · 07-11-2012, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by Cyballz

Please don't breed. The only thing worse than thinking its fine to smack a kid for doing something wrong is thinking it is effective in curbing the unwanted behavior. Pretty much every credible study ever done with regard to effects of physical punishment has shown that it not only is ineffective but detrimental (actually most studies show any punishment is ineffective if not detrimental).

Let me first say "beating" was the wrong word to use. I will go from personal experience before I take the advise of "credible studies". I don't plan on "beating" my children, but I don't think a spanking is anywhere close to out of line. I was spanked, all of my cousins were spanked, and I had some close friends who were as well. I cant think of a single one of them who has turned out negative in any way. None of them need counseling, none of them wake up at night with nightmares, and I would venture to guess if I asked them, most of them would admit they deserved what they got.

On the flip side, I grew up a few houses away from a Mom who refused to punish her kids. She preached positive reinforcement and sitting her kids down and talking to them in a polite and nice manner when they did wrong. All three of her kids have turned out to be criminals.

**Angie** · 07-11-2012, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by chuckd4735

Well I will go from personal experience before I take the advise of "credible studies". I don't plan on "beating" my children, but I don't think a spanking is anywhere close to out of line. I was spanked, all of my cousins were spanked, and I had some close friends who were as well. I cant think of a single one of them who has turned out negative in any way. None of them need counseling, none of them wake up at night with nightmares, and I would venture to guess if I asked them, most of them would admit they deserved what they got.

On the flip side, I grew up a few houses away from a Mom who refused to punish her kids. She preached positive reinforcement and sitting her kids down and talking to them in a polite and nice manner when they did wrong. All three of her kids have turned out to be criminals.

There's a difference between not punishing and not spanking.

**VikesFan28** · 07-11-2012, 02:11 PM

That's insane. Way out of line. I'm glad the neighbor stepped up and said something. I agree that it sounds like something went down after the video ended.

**CyPride** · 07-11-2012, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by TXCyclones

That fear of the pain is what taught me to catch the ball. But not from the pain of a belt. For me it was fear of taking another shot to the forehead. My dad would throw the ball so hard when I was that kids age that the glove was a tool for self-defense. If you didn't want to get hit in the face by the ball then you better catch the ball. While I don't agree with the tactic, it worked. I played baseball for ISU. Probably never would have happened without those "valuable" lessons.

apples and oranges failure.

**CycloneChris** · 07-11-2012, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by Cyballz

Please don't breed. The only thing worse than thinking its fine to smack a kid for doing something wrong is thinking it is effective in curbing the unwanted behavior. Pretty much every credible study ever done with regard to effects of physical punishment has shown that it not only is ineffective but detrimental (actually most studies show any punishment is ineffective if not detrimental).

I will take the generations that were the result of physical punishment over the generations that are the result of no physical punishment and in some cases no punishment at all any day. And that is regardless of what any supposed "credible" study says.

**chuckd4735** · 07-11-2012, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by Angie

There's a difference between not punishing and not spanking.

Obviously. All I'm saying is I can cite many examples of kids who were spanked and turned out just fine. I think you can have some level of physical punishment with your children, but there is obviously a line that can be crossed.

**Tre4ISU** · 07-11-2012, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by Angie

I personally don't believe in striking a child for anything, that's just me. It doesn't actually teach the child to do the right thing for any other reason than fear of short-term pain. When that fear goes away (when they're older, or on their own without their parents around to beat them), they have no morals instilled in them for the sake of just doing right. IMO, there are much better ways of punishing and teaching a child. Everyone parents differently, this is just how we do it.

Then what form of punishment doesn't do the exact same thing? How do you do it Angie? Have them sit in the corner? Ok, so they are going to do the right thing next because now they know what's right and wrong? No, they are doing because they don't want to have to sit in the corner. I don't believe in beating kids but I don't have a problem with spanking either when done within reason and when the kid knows why what is happening is happening. One of my pet peeves is people thinking there is only one way to raise children and that way is the way they do it. Often times, those kids are little ********* too. Maybe I won't ever have kids but I will not have ******** kids.