Lincoln Coach Suspended

**Tre4ISU** · 10-04-2012, 03:00 PM

I'm writing a book. It will be titled "The Pussification of America." Anyone care to contribute?

**BringBackJohnny** · 10-04-2012, 03:00 PM

This is such a Mike Leach incident ...................... maybe

**chuckd4735** · 10-04-2012, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by klamath632

F***ing kids. When I was a sophomore in high school, I yelled at the officials after a game because I thought I'd gotten hosed by them. I got called for holding three times, and I know it was from pancaking the kids.

Believe me, I will never forget Coach Fred Harris. He set me straight. For the next week, after every practice, I had a half hour of extra conditioning, just him watching me do bear crawls, up-downs, and hills non-stop. I didn't complain, call the principal or the local news, or any of that ****. I took my punishment.

Kids are f***ing p***ies these days.

Dont worry, Mihalovich is taking care of that by giving said ******* $20 to go to the store and get some Vagisal.

**CLONECONES** · 10-04-2012, 03:01 PM

5th grade in 105 degree DFW we ran till someone puked, then that kid ran some more

what happened to kids these days?

**chuckd4735** · 10-04-2012, 03:04 PM

Let me clarify... I'm not sticking up for the kid who was punished Yes, he should of been punished, and I have no problem with the way he was punished or harassed. Its a good hard life lesson. But, as a coach, you need to know that society today is not going to accept this type of behavior, and you have been warned many times in the past to tone it down and for some reason you don't. The kid deserved to be punished, but the Coach has had his fair share of warnings. This will be the straw that broke the camels back.

**VeloClone** · 10-04-2012, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by chuckd4735

Let me clarify... I'm not sticking up for the kid who was punished Yes, he should of been punished, and I have no problem with the way he was punished or harassed. Its a good hard life lesson. But, as a coach, you need to know that society today is not going to accept this type of behavior, and you have been warned many times in the past to tone it down and for some reason you don't. The kid deserved to be punished, but the Coach has had his fair share of warnings. This will be the straw that broke the camels back.

If this type of punishment was okay with just about everyone one here; I'm not sure what type of punishment the coach had at his disposal that would be okay with "society today". Help me to understand.

**klamath632** · 10-04-2012, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by VeloClone

If this type of punishment was okay with just about everyone one here; I'm not sure what type of punishment the coach had at his disposal that would be okay with "society today". Help me to understand.

If harsh language is out, I'm not sure what punishment is left.

**Rabbuk** · 10-04-2012, 03:12 PM

Doesn't appear to be the coach's first problem with the administration.

**chuckd4735** · 10-04-2012, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by VeloClone

If this type of punishment was okay with just about everyone one here; I'm not sure what type of punishment the coach had at his disposal that would be okay with "society today". Help me to understand.

There are not too many forms of punishment that would be OK with society today; and its unfortunate. I'm OK with these forms of punishment, but its simply not accepted by society anymore.

However, he wont be fired for the punishment that was handed out to this kid. He will be fired because he has a pattern of this type of behavior. He knew what he was doing was wrong, and that is obvious by his lies that were refuted by many players.

**CYdTracked** · 10-04-2012, 03:22 PM

I still wonder how much of that report is factual and not an exageration of the truth. Hard to believe that HS coaches these days don't still use profanity or make kids run to prove a point when they mess up. I support the anti-bully efforts because I myself had terrible experiences of it while going through Middle School and parts of High School and wish people then were more concerned about it like they are now as I had some miserable years that I didn't even enjoy going to school some days. But this kid brought this on himself when he posted something on his Twitter account which was his own doing, not an innoncent victim of being randomly targeted by bullies and the coach making him read it face to face with the team to me is fair since it is a coward thing to do to hide behind a Twitter or Facebook page and not expect consequences for what you say. You are part of a team, act like you are. If one of my teammate's did something like that I'd be ticked. At some point these kids have to be held accountable for their actions and by high school you are old enough to know right from wrong and be held accountable for your actions IMO. For some reason kids just don't get you still are accountable for what you say on social media, it's not exempt.

From what I read from the "factual" part of the findings is the kid had to read the tweet in front of the varsity team who like anyone who has just insulted said some things back to him. He rean 20 hill sprints, 20 up-downs, and 2 laps around the practice field and then at least 5 more hill sprints. Hell I bet when I was in Jr High School when I messed up in football practice I had to do extra sprints, up-downs, or extra turns in drills and I remember my 8th grade basketball coach having one of the worst potty-mouths of any coach I ever had and he wasn't afraid to drop the F-bomb loud enough at time outs of games that even the parents heard it. I didn't consider any of that bullying or excessive and it definately got me more focused to not mess up again so I wouldn't have to do that all over another day if I messed up again.

Then if you read on they are trying to pile on some other incidents from past seasons that you would have thought if they were big issues they would have been addressed when they happened and not now. Just seems like a very dangerous precident that the Des Moines Schools are about to set here. I feel for anyone coaching now because all it is going to take is some kid to go crying to mommy about having to run a little extra at practice because he said something stupid for a school to have to get involved like this. I'm sorry but if that was my kid I would have had no problem with his coach making an example out of him and I probably would have even wanted to be at the practice to witness that he had to do something as a consequence of his actions. I'm curious what his parents did for their own punishment (if they even did any at all) because I sure would not be happy to see something like that said by my kid and he would have had consequences at home for it too.

**CYdTracked** · 10-04-2012, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by chuckd4735

There are not too many forms of punishment that would be OK with society today; and its unfortunate. I'm OK with these forms of punishment, but its simply not accepted by society anymore.

I agree, it is sad that our society has come to the point that no one feels they should be held accountable for their own actions. Everyone wants things handed to them without having to earn it and if they do something wrong or something bad happens to them it's never their own fault.

**isufbcurt** · 10-04-2012, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by cybsball20

Situations like this are why I have turned down many offers to coach over the years...

Same here, it rediculous

**VeloClone** · 10-04-2012, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by chuckd4735

There are not too many forms of punishment that would be OK with society today; and its unfortunate. I'm OK with these forms of punishment, but its simply not accepted by society anymore.

However, he wont be fired for the punishment that was handed out to this kid. He will be fired because he has a pattern of this type of behavior. He knew what he was doing was wrong, and that is obvious by his lies that were refuted by many players.

If he isn't being fired for punishing this kid, what is he being fired for? For what he did before? If so, why wasn't he fired before? Either what he did this time is wrong and he is being fired for it as the last of unacceptable activities or what he did isn't wrong and he is being fired for getting in trouble before and now they are looking for an excuse to pull the plug. Is it wrong or isn't it?

**chuckd4735** · 10-04-2012, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by VeloClone

If he isn't being fired for punishing this kid, what is he being fired for? For what he did before? If so, why wasn't he fired before? Either what he did this time is wrong and he is being fired for it as the last of unacceptable activities or what he did isn't wrong and he is being fired for getting in trouble before and now they are looking for an excuse to pull the plug. Is it wrong or isn't it?

I know I'm comparing apples to oranges here, but when you're late for work one time, you're not instantly fired. When it becomes a common ocurance/habit, you are. I'm sure there were "warnings" passed down.

**VeloClone** · 10-04-2012, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by chuckd4735

I know I'm comparing apples to oranges here, but when you're late for work one time, you're not instantly fired. When it becomes a common ocurance/habit, you are. I'm sure there were "warnings" passed down.

I get that. I've had to fire more people than I ever want to remember. But I got the distinct idea that you were saying that he wasn't fired for punishing the kid (because you did say that). He was as part of a pattern of behavior is what I'm getting from you now. I'm also hearing that making a kid be responsible to the team was at the end of this pattern is a fireable offense. So I guess in your estimation being told to read your tweet to your team and run extra drills is a fireable offense. Just want to make sure I understand you.

Regardless of the pattern, if the final offense doesn't stand up to scrutiny it doesn't matter what happened before. The whole idea of progressive discipline is to give the employee opportunities to correct their behavior. If they are damned after the penultimate offense then they should be fired then rather than waiting until they can be fired under a pretext.