Using water for fuel

[brianhos]

While you're probably right(too good to be true I'm sure), what is wrong in your opinion with the claim(I dont understand the chemistry)?

The problem is, water is not flammable as we all know. But it's two components Hydrogen, and Oxygen are very flammable. The hindenburgh was a hydrogen balloon, and look what happend to it from a spark of static electricity.

To get Hydrogen out of water, you have to use electrolosis, and that takes a ton of energy to break the Hydrogen/Oxygen bond. It takes more energy to break that bond that is created from burning the hyrdogen.

Now if you have either a cheap source of hydrogen (fossil fuels are a good source) or a cheap source of electricity, you can make the hydrogen car work. In Iceland it is working rather well because they basically have limitless free electricty that comes from geothermal generation. So in that instance, they can make hyrdrogen cheaply and basically give it away for use in automobiles.

But just pouring water in your tank and breaking it up there will just not work.

[The_Architect]

I am not meaning to doubt you, it just looks similar to sites that you would know are scams. It just seems comparable with the never ending scroll, lots of testimonials, etc. Here is one that you would assume is a scam and they just look the same to me!

Making Millionaires Online

No worries, I completely agree. Normally I'd think the same thing if I hadn't stumbled across the link where I did.

[ajk4st8]

was this written by the guy with the suit with all the question marks on it?

[1100011CS]

I'm not claiming this idea will work but... I have a hydrogen powered rocket that uses water. You mix some powder in with the water (I believe it's some kind of acid) then run some electricity through it (powered by batteries) which creates the hydrogen. Then you launch it by pressing a butten that runs electricity (again, battery powered) to a little wire that heats up like a light bulb which ignites the hydrogen gas. All pretty similar to what this site it proposing. Although, I have to doubt that you can just mix in the hydrogen gas with gasoline and everything will be fine.

[1100011CS]

The problem is, water is not flammable as we all know. But it's two components Hydrogen, and Oxygen are very flammable. The hindenburgh was a hydrogen balloon, and look what happend to it from a spark of static electricity.

To get Hydrogen out of water, you have to use electrolosis, and that takes a ton of energy to break the Hydrogen/Oxygen bond. It takes more energy to break that bond that is created from burning the hyrdogen.

Now if you have either a cheap source of hydrogen (fossil fuels are a good source) or a cheap source of electricity, you can make the hydrogen car work. In Iceland it is working rather well because they basically have limitless free electricty that comes from geothermal generation. So in that instance, they can make hyrdrogen cheaply and basically give it away for use in automobiles.

But just pouring water in your tank and breaking it up there will just not work.

In this case the "cheap" electricity would be the cars generator I suppose.

[Flag Guy]

That webpage makes my head hurt... and I certainly don't buy into it

[clone52]

The problem is, water is not flammable as we all know. But it's two components Hydrogen, and Oxygen are very flammable. The hindenburgh was a hydrogen balloon, and look what happend to it from a spark of static electricity.

To get Hydrogen out of water, you have to use electrolosis, and that takes a ton of energy to break the Hydrogen/Oxygen bond. It takes more energy to break that bond that is created from burning the hyrdogen.

Now if you have either a cheap source of hydrogen (fossil fuels are a good source) or a cheap source of electricity, you can make the hydrogen car work. In Iceland it is working rather well because they basically have limitless free electricty that comes from geothermal generation. So in that instance, they can make hyrdrogen cheaply and basically give it away for use in automobiles.

But just pouring water in your tank and breaking it up there will just not work.

What do you think of this technology?

New process generates hydrogen from aluminum alloy to run engines, fuel cells

I think it is very interesting.

[bos]

I like how one guy has goggles, one has glasses, and the other is a pirate. Only in the big 10

[Flag Guy]

The problem is, water is not flammable as we all know. But it's two components Hydrogen, and Oxygen are very flammable. The hindenburgh was a hydrogen balloon, and look what happend to it from a spark of static electricity.

To get Hydrogen out of water, you have to use electrolosis, and that takes a ton of energy to break the Hydrogen/Oxygen bond. It takes more energy to break that bond that is created from burning the hyrdogen.

Now if you have either a cheap source of hydrogen (fossil fuels are a good source) or a cheap source of electricity, you can make the hydrogen car work. In Iceland it is working rather well because they basically have limitless free electricty that comes from geothermal generation. So in that instance, they can make hyrdrogen cheaply and basically give it away for use in automobiles.

But just pouring water in your tank and breaking it up there will just not work.

I seem to recall hearing about research into new nuclear plants that heat steam even hotter and can be used for Hydrogen generation... though I'm drawing a blank on the details... either way I agree a car just doesn't generate the power, and even if it did it'd probally be more efficient to use the power to directly power electric motors rather than fighting the chemical bonds.

The amount of energy required to produce Hydrogen is one of the major obsticals for the technology.

[Flag Guy]

I'm not claiming this idea will work but... I have a hydrogen powered rocket that uses water. You mix some powder in with the water (I believe it's some kind of acid) then run some electricity through it (powered by batteries) which creates the hydrogen. Then you launch it by pressing a butten that runs electricity (again, battery powered) to a little wire that heats up like a light bulb which ignites the hydrogen gas. All pretty similar to what this site it proposing. Although, I have to doubt that you can just mix in the hydrogen gas with gasoline and everything will be fine.

Thats different from electrolysis... I'm not sure about the details of your rocket there but if it's Acid you are putting in there, the Hydrogen comes from the Acid, not the from the Water in your rocket. The electric current would just help to move the system equilibrium in favor of free Hydrogen, or maybe to help the hydrogen combine (Hydrogen gas is diatomic - 2 hydrogen molecules together)

Point is - the hydrogen comes from the acid (which dissolves in water), not the from water itself, where as the ad claims to use your car battery or whatever to seperate the oxygen and hydrogen from water molecules

[heshwar]

If you seperate oxygen and hydrogen by electrolisis and then burn it to create water you haven't gained anything. The energy you would get out would be equal to what you put in assuming you don't lose any energy to friction, heat, etc.

[Flag Guy]

If you seperate oxygen and hydrogen by electrolisis and then burn it to create water you haven't gained anything. The energy you would get out would be equal to what you put in assuming you don't lose any energy to friction, heat, etc.

And of course there is no such thing as a perfect engine, so you will lose energy to heat and the like.


No such thing as energy for free...

[isuno1fan]

I like how one guy has goggles, one has glasses, and the other is a pirate. Only in the big 10

This is legit IMO. I've seen this before online and on TV. Unfortunately, they are being virtually ignored due to oil interests and biofuel interests.

I happen to believe Hydrogen power is the alternative fuel future. Just need to get some more money behind it.

The concept of biofuels is not even close to as viable and clean for the environment as Hyrdrogen is. In fact, an argument could be made the biofuels are worse for the environment than oil. Not to mention, your engine doesn't get near the MPG with ethanol.

[Flag Guy]

I think biofuels are VERY over-hyped, however there are still issues with Hydrogen too.

One of them being it takes a lot of energy to seperate it from water, and if that electricity is being supplied from coal/oil, you aren't really helping anything, you're just shuffling around where the pollution comes from


Same is true of the biofuels - you have to look at how much oil goes into growing the corn/processing it (fertiliziers, diesel for tractors, trucks to transport the biomass, power for the plant, ect)

[CYCLONE STATE]

I bet this product works as well as the "tornado" that goes in your intake system. Pure snake oil! Keep that stuff far far away from my vehicles.