South Dakota May Allow Guns On Campus Should Iowa?

[CloneFan65]

In order to prevent people from bringing firearms onto campus to use against innocent people the solution is to allow firearms on campus? Makes perfect sense to me.

[chadm]

If someone wants to bring a gun to campus to kill people, does laws about keeping a gun in a safe matter to that individual?

[Aclone]

Ooh, guns, college students, and alcohol. What a combination!

[chadm]

Ooh, guns, college students, and alcohol. What a combination!

If someone is willing to break laws, what is currently stopping them from bringing a gun on campus?

[CYKOFAN]

Well there's the law and there's what actually happens. Sting operations, undercover news investigations, and post shooting investigations show that there are plenty of guns sold at gun shows where anybody can get whatever weapons they want with no questions asked. Enforcement has been so lax that the dealers know they can get away with it.

[HILLCYD]

Well there's the law and there's what actually happens. Sting operations, undercover news investigations, and post shooting investigations show that there are plenty of guns sold at gun shows where anybody can get whatever weapons they want with no questions asked. Enforcement has been so lax that the dealers know they can get away with it.

It if is on TV then in has to be true.

I love it when people who have never been in the same room with a firearm, let alone purchased or fired one like to spout off about how knowledgeable the are based on what they saw on TV>

[Wesley]

Between Boulder thinking about impeaching the president and South Dakota allowing handguns at the School of Mines, we are starting to see government failure. Good grief, Charley Brown.

[CYKOFAN]

cys av8r- I hunted when I was younger, I had a 12 gauge shotgun and a 22 caliber rifle, so I don't know who you're talking about. And it's not only news investigations but police sting operations that show how easy it is for anybody to buy a gun at a lot of these gun shows, so don't believe the police if you want to. I choose to believe them.

[HILLCYD]

cys av8r- I hunted when I was younger, I had a 12 gauge shotgun and a 22 caliber rifle, so I don't know who you're talking about. And it's not only news investigations but police sting operations that show how easy it is for anybody to buy a gun at a lot of these gun shows, so don't believe the police if you want to. I choose to believe them.

I am sure there have been many instances where people have purchased firearms illegally at gun shows. But most illegal purchases happen on the street or elsewhere and no law will ever change that. That is what I have never understood about the gun control freaks. They somehow think that passing a law is going to stop people who have no respect for the law and don't follow them anyway.

[CYKOFAN]

Why is it being a freak to want common sense gun control laws like almost every other civilized country on earth in the hopes that we have much fewer mass killings and shootings? I would guess by far the majority of Americans want stricter gun control laws. Why do you want semi-automatic weapons, cop killer bullets, and millions of handguns in circulation when a man can protect his family with a shotgun or rifle, and a storeowner can do the same (though I would see no problem with a storeowner having a license for a handgun to have available in his store. I think you're trying to characterize gun control advocates as "freaks" when I'm sure many if not most are like me, a former gun owner who has no problem with hunting guns and handguns for collectors and certain people like police, security people, storeowners, etc. that actually need them. Sure some criminals will still get guns, but if there are millions less in circulation and it's much harder to get one, why couldn't we expect to have just a fraction of the gun deaths we currently do as is the case in so many other countries?

[kilgore_trout]

i'm glad there are at least 3 smart people in south dakota. i had some doubts the last time i visited "the world's only corn palace".



"The House voted 63-3 to send the measure to the Senate after supporters said allowing students, faculty members and others to carry guns would help deter mass shootings."

[cstrunk]

If someone is willing to break laws, what is currently stopping them from bringing a gun on campus?

I'd like to see a real response to this question from someone who wants to see more strict gun laws.

[HILLCYD]

Why is it being a freak to want common sense gun control laws like almost every other civilized country on earth in the hopes that we have much fewer mass killings and shootings? I would guess by far the majority of Americans want stricter gun control laws. Why do you want semi-automatic weapons, cop killer bullets, and millions of handguns in circulation when a man can protect his family with a shotgun or rifle, and a storeowner can do the same (though I would see no problem with a storeowner having a license for a handgun to have available in his store. I think you're trying to characterize gun control advocates as "freaks" when I'm sure many if not most are like me, a former gun owner who has no problem with hunting guns and handguns for collectors and certain people like police, security people, storeowners, etc. that actually need them. Sure some criminals will still get guns, but if there are millions less in circulation and it's much harder to get one, why couldn't we expect to have just a fraction of the gun deaths we currently do as is the case in so many other countries?

I am pretty sure you will never see my perspective, and I guarantee you I will never see yours. That being said, i will leave this debate now as all it tends to do for me is raise my blood pressure.

[herbicide]

Why is it being a freak to want common sense gun control laws like almost every other civilized country on earth in the hopes that we have much fewer mass killings and shootings? I would guess by far the majority of Americans want stricter gun control laws. Why do you want semi-automatic weapons, cop killer bullets, and millions of handguns in circulation when a man can protect his family with a shotgun or rifle, and a storeowner can do the same (though I would see no problem with a storeowner having a license for a handgun to have available in his store. I think you're trying to characterize gun control advocates as "freaks" when I'm sure many if not most are like me, a former gun owner who has no problem with hunting guns and handguns for collectors and certain people like police, security people, storeowners, etc. that actually need them. Sure some criminals will still get guns, but if there are millions less in circulation and it's much harder to get one, why couldn't we expect to have just a fraction of the gun deaths we currently do as is the case in so many other countries?

I think we have some pretty good gun control laws. The question in my mind is if they are enforced. The Virginia Tech massacre could have been avoided with the proper enforcement of current laws. The shooter was deemed mentally unstable (or whatever) and legally could not acquire firearms. Unfortunately, the system that deemed him mentally unstable wasn't communicating with the system that does background checks.

You have to consider that our rate of murder is not just related to gun ownership. Our country has a very violent culture, look at our movies, TV shows, video games, even children's cartoons. Its funny how those things are more or less considered acceptable for children to watch/play, but anything sexual is taboo. In most other western cultures, it is the exact opposite. I've spent time in Europe and have seen this first hand. Jenna Jamison pornos on Paris's equivalent of PBS comes to mind.

In almost all other western countries, the tolerance for violence in entertainment media is not nearly as tolerated, especially for children. Looney Toons are considered one of the most violent cartoons, and are not usually aired in most other countries.

Also, I have bought several firearms at gunshows, and in each instance I had to present my license to acquire, or get a NICS (background check). Same goes on the internet.

Just because guns/handguns are illegal in many countries, does not mean that they are unavailable. You can easily get them cheaper on the black market in parts of Europe, even Western Europe, than you can buy one legally here. I have first-hand experience with this very fact. I was asked to help smuggle some highly valuable handguns, both legal and illegal (automatic) types in the US.

If you are for gun control, that is your prerogative and right, but don't think that our gun laws are the only thing responsible for crime here.

[herbicide]

I'd like to see a real response to this question from someone who wants to see more strict gun laws.

There is no logical argument against it. Even in countries where firearms are practically illegal, they are readily available on the black market, at bargain prices.