LOST, Season 4, Episode 10

LindenCy · 05-01-2008, 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by dustinal

When Miles said, "They're not my buddies, man," did anybody else think "I'm not your man, fwend"?

Sorry, mixing my shows.

Anyway, very interesting stuff. Every flash forward we've seen this year seems to take place before the events we saw in the Season 3 finale. Except for maybe the Sayid/Ben flash forwards...we don't really have a common reference to be able to tell when those are happening in relation to the Jack/Kate/Aaron/Hurley/Sun flash forwards.

Anyway, my point is, I'm beginning to wonder again who was in the casket in the Season 3 finale. Maybe Hurley?

What's the promise Kate made Sawyer? Who was she talking to on the phone? How is Jack & Claire's Dad on the island if he's supposed to be dead? Is Jack crazy like Hurley, or are they both being visited by something from the island?

Could Kate have promised to visit Sawyer's daughter? That would reunite her with what's her name? I like some of the questions raised here, but was very disappointed with little payoffs. I think the season finale is going to be huge.

C.John · 05-01-2008, 11:17 PM

Originally Posted by LindenCy

Could Kate have promised to visit Sawyer's daughter? That would reunite her with what's her name?.

What was her name? Could it have been the name that Kate gave Jack when he caught her on the phone? I didn't even think of that possibility.

dustinal · 05-01-2008, 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by LindenCy

Could Kate have promised to visit Sawyer's daughter? That would reunite her with what's her name? I like some of the questions raised here, but was very disappointed with little payoffs. I think the season finale is going to be huge.

That's why I said earlier that they tend to follow a great episode with less-than-great episode the next week. I think part of it is just us as viewers having high expectations after seeing a really great episode and then being disappointed when the next one isn't the same.

Still, I liked this episode. I like the ones that set up questions to be answered later on, which I think this one did. I agree, the season finale ought to be good. They've gotten good at making really great, almost epic season finales. Funny as it may sound, I can't wait to see where this is going for the series finale, which I think is still two years away.

jimmy22 · 05-01-2008, 11:25 PM

Kate in the hallway scene......Wow.

The most intriguing line of the night for me was Miles Straum asking "Where does all this power come from?"

Apparently, Jack does find out in a future episode that he and Claire are related, since he knows that Aaron is his half-nephew.

Who was the man in the preview for next week's episode that said he's been dead for 12 years?

LindenCy · 05-01-2008, 11:25 PM

Originally Posted by dustinal

That's why I said earlier that they tend to follow a great episode with less-than-great episode the next week. I think part of it is just us as viewers having high expectations after seeing a really great episode and then being disappointed when the next one isn't the same.

Still, I liked this episode. I like the ones that set up questions to be answered later on, which I think this one did. I agree, the season finale ought to be good. They've gotten good at making really great, almost epic season finales. Funny as it may sound, I can't wait to see where this is going for the series finale, which I think is still two years away.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think the episode was horrible, just a little less of a payoff than I would like, especially on a shortened year. I REALLY want to know what happens with Locke and Ben, and I think we get at least some of it next week.

jimmy22 · 05-01-2008, 11:28 PM

Correction - It wasn't Miles Straum that asked where the power came from, but Daniel Faraday. Mixed up my freighter folk!

dustinal · 05-01-2008, 11:29 PM

Originally Posted by jimmy22

Kate in the hallway scene......Wow.

The most intriguing line of the night for me was Miles Straum asking "Where does all this power come from?"

Apparently, Jack does find out in a future episode that he and Claire are related, since he knows that Aaron is his half-nephew.

Who was the man in the preview for next week's episode that said he's been dead for 12 years?

I don't think we ever saw any concrete evidence that Jack knows Aaron is his nephew. Like someone else said, he did say that Kate isn't related to Aaron, but he didn't say, "but I am." It might have been implied though, so it's possible that he knows.

I'm guessing the guy who said he'd been dead for 12 years was one of the Dharma people that Ben (supposedly) killed along with his father. Looked like he was wearing one of those uniforms. He even looked familiar to me. Maybe we saw him in that episode?

LindenCy · 05-01-2008, 11:33 PM

Originally Posted by dustinal

I'm guessing the guy who said he'd been dead for 12 years was one of the Dharma people that Ben (supposedly) killed along with his father. Looked like he was wearing one of those uniforms. He even looked familiar to me. Maybe we saw him in that episode?

Was it the dude who got the job for Ben's father? Hasn't it been longer since Dharma was killed off than 12 years?

I know it may not be popular, but the Jack/Kate future is not really of as much interest to me. I do like seeing Jack and his father and Hurley, but the Kate/Aaron thing is still weird. Hopefully that gets cleared up sometime.

dahliaclone · 05-02-2008, 12:01 AM

Not sure who he is on the show....but he's the little **** guard from the movie The Green Mile as well as one of the rapists in A Time To Kill. He likes being the 'bad guy' in gigs. Kind of like Ben on Lost. He was a serial killer on the tv show The Practice, then he was in the movie Saw and now this.

And did you know that Michael Emerson (Ben on LOST) is from Tama, IA??

LindenCy · 05-02-2008, 12:09 AM

Originally Posted by dahliaclone

Not sure who he is on the show....but he's the little sh!t guard from the movie The Green Mile as well as one of the rapists in A Time To Kill. He likes being the 'bad guy' in gigs. Kind of like Ben on Lost. He was a serial killer on the tv show The Practice, then he was in the movie Saw and now this.

And did you know that Michael Emerson (Ben on LOST) is from Tama, IA??

Spoiler: (just highlight below if you want)

The guy who has been dead for 12 years appeared in the episode that showed what happened to the Dharma initiative. I think it was the guy who got Ben's dad, Roger, a job. I looked it up on IMDB. Goodspeed is his name.

AirWalke · 05-02-2008, 01:09 AM

Strange reaction from this episode for me. It didn't have the same "punch" last week's episode did, but it still was better than half the episodes this season. Next week looks excellent though. It looks like the finale could be leading the show in the direction of one of my personal theories about the island. I can't wait!

I thought it would have been great if they had killed off Jack at the end of this episode. Seems like he came down with appendicitis and the boom he's cured, yay Juliet. There has to be a larger reason as to how he got sick -- no reason for them to hype it up at the beginning of the episode (especially with Rose claiming that "no one gets sick, not on this island.", and Bernard responding dryly, "What, so you think he upset the Gods or something?")

JonDMiller · 05-02-2008, 01:28 AM

Hurley's bringing up heaven, and so many dead people alive...it certainly brings me back to the pergatory aspects, which the writers have denied...perhaps its their own made up afterlife. I don't know. Tonight's was kind of slow.

As for the Frenchwoman, isn't she supposed to have a flashback one of these days? And is everyone really totally dead on the island?

Why show the brother and sister getting bitten by those spiders, and the time release of the venom, if they were never going to come back to that?

AirWalke · 05-02-2008, 01:36 AM

Originally Posted by JonDMiller

Why show the brother and sister getting bitten by those spiders, and the time release of the venom, if they were never going to come back to that?

Are you talking about Nikki and Paulo? Those were just two characters the writers tried to slip in. Fans cried foul, so they dedicated a filler episode to killing them off. I thought it was a random episode myself, but it's slowly become one of my favorites as it fits the mold of the "Wayside Stories" that populated the first season. Plus, it had such a twisted ending.

I think earlier in the series, one of the characters made a reference to the dead on the island, that they don't truly stay dead unless you bury them. Perhaps the freighters that shot Alex's BF and Rousseau knew this, and made sure to painstakingly bury them. Otherwise, why not just leave them where they were?

EggMcClone · 05-02-2008, 01:36 AM

I, along with the people I watched with, kind of thought this episode was a big turd. Part of that comes from the fact that we're sick of Jack's whining and have no interest in his love triangle. The flash forward didn't have much punch for me and where's the drama of surgery when you already know he survives? Plus, he's going to try to direct her on his own surgery? Give me a break, Jack.

That said, there were moments of intrigue and things might come together in the future because of episodes like tonight. I think it's really tough when there's so many different storylines, locations, characters going on at once and there seems to be more going on now than ever before. Oh well, not every episode can be a classic.

EggMcClone · 05-02-2008, 01:40 AM

Originally Posted by AirWalke

Are you talking about Nikki and Paulo? Those were just two characters the writers tried to slip in. Fans cried foul, so they dedicated a filler episode to killing them off. I thought it was a random episode myself, but it's slowly become one of my favorites as it fits the mold of the "Wayside Stories" that populated the first season. Plus, it had such a twisted ending.

I think earlier in the series, one of the characters made a reference to the dead on the island, that they don't truly stay dead unless you bury them. Perhaps the freighters that shot Alex's BF and Rousseau knew this, and made sure to painstakingly bury them. Otherwise, why not just leave them where they were?

This isn't necessarily just about your comment and I might be wrong but I thought I read a quote from the producers once along the lines of "dead is dead." Obviously that doesn't stop them from "appearing" on the island or elsewhere but I don't know that anyone is actually coming back to life in a physical sense.