Iowa Immigration Raid

dmclone · 05-12-2008, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by Flag Guy

Which is a better use of resources? Busting someone for illegaly working when they are otherwise being a productive member of society, or breaking up organized crime rings (drugs) or looking for murders/rapist ect? aka people who are not productive members of society?

Take care of the worst first then work your way down

I'm sure if all the murders/rapists worked at the same place it would be easier to find them.

I also wouldn't call an illegal immigrant a "productive member of society".

mapnerd · 05-12-2008, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by Flag Guy

Which is a better use of resources? Busting someone for illegaly working when they are otherwise being a productive member of society, or breaking up organized crime rings (drugs) or looking for murders/rapist ect? aka people who are not productive members of society?

Take care of the worst first then work your way down

I completely agree with you. However, there are people out there who feel that being an illegal immigrant is equal to being a murderer/rapist. I also think it's silly when people suggest "trucking them all back to Mexico." How is that feasible?

cycloneworld · 05-12-2008, 03:03 PM

The business should face SERIOUS consequences. They arrested 700 of the approximately 1,000 workers or 70% of the entire workforce! 70% of the entire company were illegals...that is amazing.

dosry5 · 05-12-2008, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by mapnerd

I completely agree with you. However, there are people out there who feel that being an illegal immigrant is equal to being a murderer/rapist. I also think it's silly when people suggest "trucking them all back to Mexico." How is that feasible?

So when one of you get's your SSN stolen and then sold to an illegal immigrant who uses it to get a job and a home and a car...and then defaults or somehow hurts your credit or even ruins you financially you're of course not going to want the police to do anything about it so long as we still have murders and rapists out there? Being an illegal alien is not a victimless crime.

jbhtexas · 05-12-2008, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by mapnerd

It would be nice if it was easier to get into this country legally.

Why should it be easy to get into this country?

Flag Guy · 05-12-2008, 03:08 PM

Ok so maybe it's not victimless but as others are pointing out... so long as you don't discourage people from hiring illegal immigrants, they're going to keep hiring them as soon as you arrest the batch they have, which will encourage people to keep coming in. Treat the disease, not just the symptoms, or else you will continue to have the symptoms

SuperCy · 05-12-2008, 03:11 PM

According to the Register it's not so much a raid as it is an investigation. They're looking for certain individuals.

CarolinaCy · 05-12-2008, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by jbhtexas

Why should it be easy to get into this country?

Because X number of people are going to enter this country every year, one way or another. Currently it is difficult and costly to do it legally, so many choose to circumvent the system. This is why there are so many illegals here not paying taxes.

If it was less difficult and less costly, then more immigrants would be likely to fill out the appropriate paperwork and be documented by the government. Then, if they choose not to pay taxes, at least the government will have some way to track them

Of course, many will still come here illegally to avoid taxes and government tracking altogether.

nj829 · 05-12-2008, 03:18 PM

Lets see, they don't pay taxes because they are paid under the table, everything they make goes back to Mexico to support the family in most cases, and when they get sick, they go to the tax payer funded emergency rooms for the flu, a cough, or something serious like a stroke.

No insurance, and they aren't going to pay the bills, so the hospital has to eat the cost while you or your family with insurance is waiting in line for 4 hours to fix the broken arm you or your kid has because of the illegals using it as their primary care.

Then the hospital complains because they can't make money from the insurance companies, who can't make money from the companies they insure, so your premiums go up taking away more of your money, you now have less buying power, and the country slowly falls into a recession. Hmmm, sound familiar?

We could have universal healthcare, but then your taxes go up to support the illegals still getting care, further diluting your buying power, and making your wait at the hospital 8 hours for the broken arm because everybody is abusing the system because they can. On top of that 1,000's of jobs are lost in DSM, (anyone have Principal health insurance?), central Iowa's economy collapses, and ISU can't get funding to finish the stadium expansion....

1100011CS · 05-12-2008, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by nj829

and ISU can't get funding to finish the stadium expansion....

Since you put it that way I'm heading over to the meat packing plant right now to haul them back to Mexico

CTAClone · 05-12-2008, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by leg4cy

No excuse for breaking the law.

True. But I was more curious why the one poster "Loved it." I don't see how this can be a love situation.

bellzisu · 05-12-2008, 03:27 PM

I'm sorry but some of you people are totally wrong...

I worked for Tyson Foods in Storm Lake. I didn't work in the plant I was a recruiter (for hog buyers and management) and a fill in hog buyer.

There is two sides to this....

1. Our plants down in Texas suffer like crazy. The reason for this is that the entire work force is legal white people. That plant has the highest turnover rate for employment and 30 % call in rate each day.

That plant is the highest paying plant for Tyson but least productive. Reason for this is all the employees want something for nothing. Even when wages are increased you don't see the same type of return.

Imigrants are willing to work more undersireable jobs. Usually for less money too. Now I know not all of Tyson employees are legal, but they aren't exactly going out there and stealing identities to work for $9.75 an hour in blood and guts.

Not all of these people are as terrible as you think..... But then again sitting in an office job in front of a computer I don't expect some of you to understand this.

2. I know Storm Lake is a terrible town because of Tyson and the imigrants. Crime is worse then Dsm on per capita. I understand these things. I think the person creating the fake id's are the scum of the earth.

Not all imigrants are terrible. Its just the small majority, Like HAWKEYE fans that give the rest a bad name.

Plus, its not the imigrants stealing identities, its usually someone with the company, or a 3rd party. I doubt an imigrant is going to steal you identitiy and ruin your credit to make $9.75 an hour in the worse situations you can dream of just to send money to their families in Mexico.

Grow people and open your eyes......

BryceC · 05-12-2008, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by CTAClone

Why??

I'm sure all these people were paying taxes and now they probably have put a town out of business.

If they are illegal, there is a chance they aren't paying taxes. IMO, they should grant all of these guys work permits but just tax the living crap out of them especially since they are sending it back south. We're getting hit doubly here because they are sending it south and a lot of them aren't paying taxes.

Kyle · 05-12-2008, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by dosry5

Why? Because they are breaking the law.

Oh no! Simply being here illegally is on about the same level as underage drinking and traffic violations, except that the justification is often better. Namely, a desire to provide for one's family rather than get drunk or get somewhere faster.

Because many of them will have stolen SSN numbers.

These issues are correlated, but certainly distinct. To the best of my knowledge, most illegals are not guilty of identity theft.

Because while they may pay some taxes now, they end up costing us more money in the end

I'll defer to alaskaguy to eventually get wind of this thread and post the economic arguments with regards to immigration. The gist of it is that they produce more than enough tax revenue to cover associated government costs at the national level. Much of this is due to paying payroll taxes that they will not recoup because they are not eligible for benefits.

because of their refusal to assimilate in any way other than to cash a check... then send that money back home. If they're legal--good, great, love it. If not--they need to go.

There is little incentive to assimilate without legal status to provide some sort of certainty for the future.
This last argument you make with regards to assimilation and sending money back home could apply just as well to a legal immigrant as it could to an illegal one and appears to reflect a rather nasty prejudice.

dosry5 · 05-12-2008, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by bellzisu

I'm sorry but some of you people are totally wrong...

Plus, its not the imigrants stealing identities, its usually someone with the company, or a 3rd party. I doubt an imigrant is going to steal you identitiy and ruin your credit to make $9.75 an hour in the worse situations you can dream of just to send money to their families in Mexico.

Grow people and open your eyes......

You're right, it's not the illegal immigrant stealing your identity----BUT illegals do BUY them from the thiefs or 3rd party people that have stolen them. Your doubts about an immigrant's intentions aren't comforting or even correct--they use stolen ssn's, and those conditions you call "worse situations than you can dream of" often aren't as bad as those they are trying to escape in their homeland.