Iowa Immigration Raid

CTAClone · 05-12-2008, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by nj829

Lets see, they don't pay taxes because they are paid under the table, everything they make goes back to Mexico to support the family in most cases, and when they get sick, they go to the tax payer funded emergency rooms for the flu, a cough, or something serious like a stroke.

No insurance, and they aren't going to pay the bills, so the hospital has to eat the cost while you or your family with insurance is waiting in line for 4 hours to fix the broken arm you or your kid has because of the illegals using it as their primary care.

Then the hospital complains because they can't make money from the insurance companies, who can't make money from the companies they insure, so your premiums go up taking away more of your money, you now have less buying power, and the country slowly falls into a recession. Hmmm, sound familiar?

We could have universal healthcare, but then your taxes go up to support the illegals still getting care, further diluting your buying power, and making your wait at the hospital 8 hours for the broken arm because everybody is abusing the system because they can. On top of that 1,000's of jobs are lost in DSM, (anyone have Principal health insurance?), central Iowa's economy collapses, and ISU can't get funding to finish the stadium expansion....

Illegals do not raise health care because a majority of them don't even use health care. And if they are here to take advantage of our free health care, point me to where I can get that health care. The health care argument came out of some politicians mouth to convince people that they are a huge problem. What about all the illegals that are paying taxes but never get to take the benefits? They are saving our Social Security

. If you want to talk about how they cost us money, lets talk about how they save us money. Every food item you purchase is most likely cheaper because of illegal immigrants working for cheap wages. That meat packing plant is going to have to increase the price of their kosher beef because they'll have to hire people at higher wages. That beef plant saved a town. What about all the people that are going to lose jobs because the plant is probably going to be shutdown? What about the economy of that town?

Yes, illegals are illegal. If they get caught, they should be deported. This outright hatred of them just blows my mind. I think there are way bigger problems in the states than having people come here to try and make a better life for themselves.

dosry5 · 05-12-2008, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by CTAClone

True. But I was more curious why the one poster "Loved it." I don't see how this can be a love situation.

Because I've been affected by this situation in the past. ID theft directly related to an illegal alien using my SSN. It's a mess. And yes, I LOVE it when illegals are busted and sent home. LOVE it. It's a LOVE situation. Your views from the ivory tower must be nice--but wait until something directly affects you before you pass judgement.

chriscyzer · 05-12-2008, 02:36 PM

From the company's website:

Agriprocessors, Inc. makes its home in Postville, Iowa, in the state’s northeast quadrant. According to the 2000 census, Postville is the fastest growing city in Iowa, experiencing a 54% increase in its population during the 1990s. While it has been growing and thriving, Postville has preserved the things that make it special – its deep ties to farming, its commitment to a small town way of life, and the strong sense of community that make it a great place to work and an even better place to raise a family.

54% increase? That had to raise a few flags!

superdorf · 05-12-2008, 02:37 PM

No US Citizens want many of these jobs... and SOMEONE has to do it.

If Tyson closed 30 plants and reopened them in Mexico people would have an absolute FIT, but if no illegals were working in them they couldn't operate.

mapnerd · 05-12-2008, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by dosry5

So when one of you get's your SSN stolen and then sold to an illegal immigrant who uses it to get a job and a home and a car...and then defaults or somehow hurts your credit or even ruins you financially you're of course not going to want the police to do anything about it so long as we still have murders and rapists out there? Being an illegal alien is not a victimless crime.

I will agree that identity theft is a terrible thing and those people should be punished. You make it sound like ALL illegals use stolen SSNs and ALL of them destroy the real person's credit. I don't think that's the case - that's painting with too broad of a brush.

superdorf · 05-12-2008, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by dosry5

Because I've been affected by this situation in the past. ID theft directly related to an illegal alien using my SSN. It's a mess. And yes, I LOVE it when illegals are busted and sent home. LOVE it. It's a LOVE situation. Your views from the ivory tower must be nice--but wait until something directly affects you before you pass judgement.

Wow... So I suppose that since one illegal hispanic person wronged you they are now all bad people... That isn't closed minded or anything.

cycloneworld · 05-12-2008, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by bellzisu

Imigrants are willing to work more undersireable jobs. Usually for less money too. Now I know not all of Tyson employees are legal, but they aren't exactly going out there and stealing identities to work for $9.75 an hour in blood and guts.

Then Tyson should pay more money for people to work there.

Why is it the food industry that has this problem?? I know someone that works at a Goodyear factory and its hard work but to his knowledge there aren't any illegals. Maybe its because Goodyear pays more than $9.75 per hour...

Not all of these people are as terrible as you think..... But then again sitting in an office job in front of a computer I don't expect some of you to understand this.

Originally Posted by bellzisu

Not all imigrants are terrible.

I agree but its still against the law.

Originally Posted by bellzisu

Plus, its not the imigrants stealing identities, its usually someone with the company, or a 3rd party. I doubt an imigrant is going to steal you identitiy and ruin your credit to make $9.75 an hour in the worse situations you can dream of just to send money to their families in Mexico.

Grow people and open your eyes......

It's happened. A lot.

Grow up?? And what...condone people breaking the law??

I'm not so sure its us that has the growing up to do.

dosry5 · 05-12-2008, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by superdorf

Wow... So I suppose that since one illegal hispanic person wronged you they are now all bad people... That isn't closed minded or anything.

No, they are not all bad people. But they are all illegal. Period. But it's great that you have me pinned down and put in a nice, neat little corner and know what I'm all about--and all from this one topic. That isn't closed minded or anything

mapnerd · 05-12-2008, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by jbhtexas

Why should it be easy to get into this country?

I just wish the system would be better so it wouldn't force people to enter illegally. If they have a family to feed, they're going to take the quicker route. Of course, I do wish that the economic conditions in Mexico were better than they are right now.

cycloneace55 · 05-12-2008, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by CTAClone

Illegals do not raise health care because a majority of them don't even use health care. And if they are here to take advantage of our free health care, point me to where I can get that health care.

I too live in the L.A. area and some smaller local hospitals have had to shut down due to illegal immigrants driving up the hospital's costs. This has happened in the last few years and I am actually shocked that you had not heard about it. They had it one the news and everything.

On a different note a lot of Illegal aliens uses stolen SSNs in order to get jobs. If we don't arrest them for being illegals how about idenity theft? Last I checked that was a felony.

Its not hard to get into this country legally, just because a majoiry of the immigrants in this country don't do so does not make it hard.

BryceC · 05-12-2008, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by cycloneworld

Then Tyson should pay more money for people to work there.

Why is it the food industry that has this problem?? I know someone that works at a Goodyear factory and its hard work but to his knowledge there aren't any illegals. Maybe its because Goodyear pays more than $9.75 per hour...

First, I've worked with illegals before, in jobs that pay pretty well, mostly because we couldn't find anybody else to do the job. And for the record I'd rather work making tires 9 times out of 10 as opposed to a slaughterhouse. The stench of death gets old after a while.

If they did pay more for their workers everybody else would freak out because food prices would go way up. Whatever they do they are the bad guy.

However, I still can't blame illegals here. The people who have hired them have been protected by the government for WAY to long. I can't hate somebody who is just trying to better their life for themselves and their family. I can easily be disgusted by the person who tries to make money off their cheap labor.

jbhtexas · 05-12-2008, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by Kyle

I'll defer to alaskaguy to eventually get wind of this thread and post the economic arguments with regards to immigration. The gist of it is that they produce more than enough tax revenue to cover associated government costs at the national level.

While they bankrupt local and county governments who have to cover their medical costs and law enforcement costs associated with the crime they commit. I've posted the counter study to Alaskaguy's economic arguments at least twice now, and its funny you guys never respond to it.

cycloneace55 · 05-12-2008, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by mapnerd

I just wish the system would be better so it wouldn't force people to enter illegally. If they have a family to feed, they're going to take the quicker route. Of course, I do wish that the economic conditions in Mexico were better than they are right now.

As far as immigration laws go the USA are some of the easiest in the world. Mexicos are far more difficult then the USAs. In fact it takes a minimum of 5 years to become a citizen of Mexico, unless you are from the USA, then it takes 7. No one is "forcing" them to enter the country illegaly. How they enter the country is their decision. As for thier government that is something that the people of Mexico have to change for themselves. Revolution and reform can only come from within by a populous that desires change. Corruption and crime are rampant in Mexico and will contiune to be that way until the mexican people change it.

CTAClone · 05-12-2008, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by dosry5

No, they are not all bad people. But they are all illegal. Period. But it's great that you have me pinned down and put in a nice, neat little corner and know what I'm all about--and all from this one topic. That isn't closed minded or anything

I can see this subject is very personal to you so I'm not going to take it to a personal level. I'm sorry you got your SSN stolen, that sucks. But from my "Ivory Tower", I have been affected every day of my life by illegals. All in a positive way. Probably 25% of LA is illlegal immigrants and not just Mexicans. There's, Russians, Syrians, Armenians etc. etc. It just seems like all these topics seem to head towards a derogatory image of illegals as being Dirty-Thieving-Mexicans when the majority is not the case.

LindenCy · 05-12-2008, 02:50 PM

I can't believe this thread (and I started it :) ).

I think it is pretty simple:

Legal immigration --->OK
Illegal immigration ---> BAD