Iowa Immigration Raid

[Kyle]

Grow up?? And what...condone people breaking the law?? I'm not so sure its us that has the growing up to do.

No, they are not all bad people. But they are all illegal. Period.

Perhaps we should evaluate the wisdom of the law.

Its not hard to get into this country legally, just because a majoiry of the immigrants in this country don't do so does not make it hard.

Have you tried to get into this country from Mexico? The wait for the normal person is about 10 years.

[4429 mcc]

No, they are not all bad people. But they are all illegal. Period. But it's great that you have me pinned down and put in a nice, neat little corner and know what I'm all about--and all from this one topic. That isn't closed minded or anything

I dont know why you blame the illegals for everything. You should start putting the blame on the gov't who has and still have left the boarders wide open and under little control.

Why kick someone out if you're not going to lock the door?

[dmclone]

Before we had this large illegal immigration problem didn't we have processing plants in the U.S.? I wonder how they found people back then.

I also know a few guys that worked in construction a few years back. They had been doing construction for a large portion of their lives but were forced out by low earning illegals.

[CTAClone]

As far as immigration laws go the USA are some of the easiest in the world. Mexicos are far more difficult then the USAs. In fact it takes a minimum of 5 years to become a citizen of Mexico, unless you are from the USA, then it takes 7. No one is "forcing" them to enter the country illegaly. How they enter the country is their decision. As for thier government that is something that the people of Mexico have to change for themselves. Revolution and reform can only come from within by a populous that desires change. Corruption and crime are rampant in Mexico and will contiune to be that way until the mexican people change it.

By the way, I do hear about those hospitals closing down, but I don't recall it ever being directly blamed on illegal immigrants.

It is not easy to become a citizen in the U.S. I have many friends that are struggling to get just a green card to work in the states. I have one friend that had to seek Political Asylum because they denied him a work visa even though he was sponsored by a company. He can never return home again because of it. I have another friend who had to go back to Israel because they denied her a work visa.

I like what BryceC said, there should be a work permit available for people so they can work here if they choose and pay taxes. It solves so many problems. And yes the employers should be punished not just the illegals.

[Cyclonesrule91]

Perhaps we should evaluate the wisdom of the law.

Why should we have to evaluate the law when nobody sticks to the ones we have now. Or are you referring to changing the law so they just get a free pass to all they have right now?

[dmclone]

I dont know why you blame the illegals for everything. You should start putting the blame on the gov't who has and still have left the boarders wide open and under little control.

Why kick someone out if you're not going to lock the door?

If you leave your front door unlocked and someone breaks in do you think the police should just let them go?

The next week you try to be more secure but they break right through your lock. Still think the police should let them off?

[dosry5]

I dont know why you blame the illegals for everything. You should start putting the blame on the gov't who has and still have left the boarders wide open and under little control.

Why kick someone out if you're not going to lock the door?

I very much blame the government, too. But while the gov't left the door open, they didn't hand out my SSN to the illegal alien.

That line of reasoning would be just like saying you shouldn't be mad at a burglar who breaks into your home if you leave it unlocked. Especially if he's poor and just trying to make a better life for himself.

[cycloneworld]

Perhaps we should evaluate the wisdom of the law.

Open up our borders for anyone and everyone that wants to come??

Have you tried to get into this country from Mexico? The wait for the normal person is about 10 years.

I think a lot of people are wanting reform that would make the process much easier. But even if we make the process say 90 days...why would a Mexican wait if they can get here in 1 day and not face any real consequences for getting caught?

We need to crackdown on illegal immigration AND reform the legal immigration process for this to work IMO.

[bellzisu]

Then Tyson should pay more money for people to work there.

Why is it the food industry that has this problem?? I know someone that works at a Goodyear factory and its hard work but to his knowledge there aren't any illegals. Maybe its because Goodyear pays more than $9.75 per hour...

Not all of these people are as terrible as you think..... But then again sitting in an office job in front of a computer I don't expect some of you to understand this.



I agree but its still against the law.



It's happened. A lot.

Grow up?? And what...condone people breaking the law?? I'm not so sure its us that has the growing up to do.

RE-read what I wrote. In Texas at one of their plants they are trying this. They are paying a ton and not getting a return. It is not the illegals fault.

Alot of American will not do these kind of jobs... Its rediculous to imagine that I know.

Tyson does pay more then the $9.75 an hour in Texas but they can't find people...

[superdorf]

Three words:
GUEST WORKER PROGRAM

[EggMcClone]

It's a complicated issue. There definitely is some strain on the hospitals in places and some of them don't pay taxes but a lot of them do and get no services in return. However, the fact is that prices would skyrocket across the board without them working for these low wages. It seems that a system that allows easier legal immigration could benefit everyone involved.

Unfortunately there are some who have other issues and usually make the same arguments made against the Chinese, Irish, Italians, or pretty much any other group that was immigrating in large numbers at one time or another. From my experience the majority of immigrants are harder workers and have bigger dreams for their families than a lot of native-born Americans I've seen.

Basically I just believe there are ways to go about addressing the issue that are much more effective and humane than attempting to deport them in large numbers out of small towns.

[4429 mcc]

If you leave your front door unlocked and someone breaks in do you think the police should just let them go?

The next week you try to be more secure but they break right through your lock. Still think the police should let them off?

If I dont have a front or back door and someone walks into my house is really breaking in?

I know what your saying, and I ride the fence on this one. As an good midwestern person I root for the immigrant who moves here for a better life for his family and works hard and become productive member of society. As a taxpayer I think it is a waste of money to deport illegals back to their origin just to find them back here weeks later.

[dmclone]

Unfortunately there are some who have other issues and usually make the same arguments made against the Chinese, Irish, Italians, or pretty much any other group that was immigrating in large numbers at one time or another. From my experience the majority of immigrants are harder workers and have bigger dreams for their families than a lot of native-born Americans I've seen.

I agree that most are hard working good people.

Those other ethnic groups you mentioned mostly came here legally.

[Kyle]

Before we had this large illegal immigration problem didn't we have processing plants in the U.S.? I wonder how they found people back then.

From what I can tell, the wages and benefits were a lot better. Be ready to pay a lot more for food though if this is the solution.

I also think that Americans in general have gotten lazier. As bellzisu pointed out, some of the best paying Tyson plants in the U.S. with some of the lowest ratios of illegal immigrants are among the least productive. I know meat packing would be near the very bottom of my list of desirable jobs.

I also know a few guys that worked in construction a few years back. They had been doing construction for a large portion of their lives but were forced out by low earning illegals.

It makes far more sense to me to place the blame on the employers for breaking the labor laws. A willingness do work hard for less than someone else is a quality that is usually valued, and which helps drive a market economy.

With regards to the construction industry, there was a bill in the Iowa senate this session to help address this, but I'm not sure what ever happened to it. It would have made it much more difficult for employers to classify employees as independent contractors so as to avoid wage laws, and would have stepped up the penalties for violating those laws.

[jbhtexas]

Illegals do not raise health care because a majority of them don't even use health care.

This is simply not true. If you doubt it, fly to Dallas and check out the emergency room and waiting rooms at Parkland hospital.

And if they are here to take advantage of our free health care, point me to where I can get that health care.

Well, around here, it's Parkland Hospital in Dallas and John Peter Smith Hospital in Ft. Worth. You will recieve emergency care at these hospitals free of charge if you can't afford to pay for it. Parkland provides reduced-cost and no-cost non-emergency care to low-income people regardless of immigration status. JPS used to require legal immigration documents for non-emergency treatment, but I'm not sure if they still do.

The local PBS station ran a documentary about this recently. One of the cases discussed was that of an illegal Hispanic woman recieving chemotherapy free of charge. Chemo isn't cheap...somebody's got to pay for that...