Iowa Immigration Raid

[1100011CS]

Originally Posted by jbhtexas

This is simply not true. If you doubt it, fly to Dallas and check out the emergency room and waiting rooms at Parkland hospital.

Or just come to Marshalltown's ER.

[CTAClone]

Originally Posted by jbhtexas

This is simply not true. If you doubt it, fly to Dallas and check out the emergency room and waiting rooms at Parkland hospital.



Well, around here, it's Parkland Hospital in Dallas and John Peter Smith Hospital in Ft. Worth. You will recieve emergency care at these hospitals free of charge if you can't afford to pay for it. Parkland provides reduced-cost and no-cost non-emergency care to low-income people regardless of immigration status. JPS used to require legal immigration documents for non-emergency treatment, but I'm not sure if they still do.

The local PBS station ran a documentary about this recently. One of the cases discussed was that of an illegal Hispanic woman recieving chemotherapy free of charge. Chemo isn't cheap...somebody's got to pay for that...

What about when I go in for Chemo, my insurance company only pays $500 dollars to the health care provider but my deductible is a $1000.

My comment was basically talking about the problems of health care as a whole, which is a whole different entire thread. These facilities that offer reduced or free health care are over run because of the problems we have with health care right now. I don't think it's an illegal immigrant issue but more of how our health care works.

[Cyclonesrule91]

Originally Posted by bellzisu

RE-read what I wrote. In Texas at one of their plants they are trying this. They are paying a ton and not getting a return. It is not the illegals fault.

Alot of American will not do these kind of jobs... Its rediculous to imagine that I know.

Tyson does pay more then the $9.75 an hour in Texas but they can't find people...

You do speak a lot of truth with this post. When I was growing up, I could make $7/hr baling hay, walking beans, and doing a lot of other farm chores for the neighbors and I thought I had the world by the tail when I could do it.

Todays kids get huffy when they have to spend 20 minutes a week mowing the lawn.

Work ethic is going in the tank with a lot of young people now.

[CTAClone]

Originally Posted by 1100011CS

Or just come to Marshalltown's ER.

When you walk into those ER's are you checking their green cards or are you just assuming they are illegal because of their ethnicity?

[Cyclonesrule91]

Originally Posted by CTAClone

When you walk into those ER's are you checking their green cards or are you just assuming they are illegal because of their ethnicity?

I don't speak spanish and don't care to ever learn. I am sure none of them would speak english so that would tell me all I need to know. Ya I know, I am not compassionate enough......sue me.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Cyclonesrule91

Why should we have to evaluate the law when nobody sticks to the ones we have now. Or are you referring to changing the law so they just get a free pass to all they have right now?

The fact that no one sticks to the one we have now is a good indication that it should be evaluated and improved upon. We certainly didn't wait for everyone to quit drinking before we figured out prohibition was a bad idea.

Originally Posted by cycloneworld

Open up our borders for anyone and everyone that wants to come??

No, but the process should be much easier. Which brings us to your next point.

I think a lot of people are wanting reform that would make the process much easier. But even if we make the process say 90 days...why would a Mexican wait if they can get here in 1 day and not face any real consequences for getting caught?

We need to crackdown on illegal immigration AND reform the legal immigration process for this to work IMO.

I would agree that reform should be comprehensive.

I don't think we will ever see a 90 day process, but I can guarantee that if we did we would see a massive reduction in illegal immigration. The benefits of coming legally would almost certainly outweigh the time considerations at that point. For one, if we crack down on employers then there will be far more job opportunities for those who come legally, as they will have all the necessary documentation.

I do think we could probably increase the number of people we permanently allow in from Mexico and create a guest worker program for others with a waiting period of less than a year or two rather than 10. If we combine this with enforcement from the employer's side then the demand for illegal workers will dry up.

This could also help to address some of the crime problems that are highly correlated with illegal immigration. There would not be a need for identity theft if someone could get legal documentation. Immigrants would also have a larger stake in their communities if they had some certainty in their futures. Those trying to gain permanent status could actually settle somewhere with their family. This would provide them with much closer ties to their communities than being a transitory illegal worker. An additional carrot/stick approach of deporting those immigrants that commit crimes while here could also help reduce crime.

[BryceC]

Originally Posted by Cyclonesrule91

Work ethic is going in the tank with a lot of young people now.

I think you're only the 77th generation in a row to say this.

[nj829]

Northwest Arkanas, home of Tyson Worldwide, is one of the fastest growing hispanic areas in the country according to a recent report. Our hospital's are constantly backed up, as I discussed earlier. Here are the numbers on how much illegal's are costing the state of Arkansas from the FAIR group.

Projected Fiscal Costs - In 2006 we estimated that Arkansas taxpayers are currently burdened with annual costs of about $117 million because of illegal aliens residing in the state. That estimate was based on only expenditures for education, emergency medical care and incarceration. We projected that those costs will rise unless we gain control over our borders and our worksites. If a new amnesty and increases in immigrants and guest workers were enacted, as proposed by business and ethnic advocacy groups, we project that the cost to the state’s taxpayers for those same programs would rise to $202 million per year in 2010 and to $356 million per year in 2020.

Here are the Iowa numbers:

FAIR estimates that the annual fiscal burden on Iowa taxpayers today from illegal immigration is at least $241 million. That equates to an annual cost of about $172 per native-born headed Iowa household after accounting for taxes collected from illegal workers.

[CTAClone]

Originally Posted by BryceC

I think you're only the 7th generation in a row to say this.

Didn't Socrates say something about the work ethic of the children or something?

[CTAClone]

Originally Posted by nj829

Northwest Arkanas, home of Tyson Worldwide, is one of the fastest growing hispanic areas in the country according to a recent report. Our hospital's are constantly backed up, as I discussed earlier. Here are the numbers on how much illegal's are costing the state of Arkansas from the FAIR group.

Projected Fiscal Costs - In 2006 we estimated that Arkansas taxpayers are currently burdened with annual costs of about $117 million because of illegal aliens residing in the state. That estimate was based on only expenditures for education, emergency medical care and incarceration. We projected that those costs will rise unless we gain control over our borders and our worksites. If a new amnesty and increases in immigrants and guest workers were enacted, as proposed by business and ethnic advocacy groups, we project that the cost to the state’s taxpayers for those same programs would rise to $202 million per year in 2010 and to $356 million per year in 2020.

Here are the Iowa numbers:

FAIR estimates that the annual fiscal burden on Iowa taxpayers today from illegal immigration is at least $241 million. That equates to an annual cost of about $172 per native-born headed Iowa household after accounting for taxes collected from illegal workers.

That's very interesting information. I have a couple questions about this though.

How do they know how many illegal immigrants there are? If they know how many there are, how come they can't get rid of them? When someone gets this free health care is their box they check that says "I'm an illegal immigrant."? When they send a child to school, do they also inform the school that this child is an "illegal immigrant."?

The only number I think they can accurately estimate is the incarceration number. Every other number is an estimate. They guess that there are 1 million illegal immigrants and they are guessing that those 1 million illegals are spending $200 on health care and education and jail time per year. Where do they get these numbers, do they call the illegals and have a poll about how many times they go to the emergency room, or how many kids they send to school. I just think they come up with those numbers to further their agenda. If there was an accurate way to figure out how much they cost people, it should be pretty easy to find them and deport them.

[Cyclonesrule91]

Originally Posted by BryceC

I think you're only the 77th generation in a row to say this.

Ya, you're probably right, but we are the first generation to get it right......

[bellzisu]

Originally Posted by nj829

Northwest Arkanas, home of Tyson Worldwide, is one of the fastest growing hispanic areas in the country according to a recent report. Our hospital's are constantly backed up, as I discussed earlier. Here are the numbers on how much illegal's are costing the state of Arkansas from the FAIR group.

Projected Fiscal Costs - In 2006 we estimated that Arkansas taxpayers are currently burdened with annual costs of about $117 million because of illegal aliens residing in the state. That estimate was based on only expenditures for education, emergency medical care and incarceration. We projected that those costs will rise unless we gain control over our borders and our worksites. If a new amnesty and increases in immigrants and guest workers were enacted, as proposed by business and ethnic advocacy groups, we project that the cost to the state’s taxpayers for those same programs would rise to $202 million per year in 2010 and to $356 million per year in 2020.

Here are the Iowa numbers:

FAIR estimates that the annual fiscal burden on Iowa taxpayers today from illegal immigration is at least $241 million. That equates to an annual cost of about $172 per native-born headed Iowa household after accounting for taxes collected from illegal workers.

Yeah, I could of guessed that... My point is that its not the imigrants fault.

It is the companies that bring them in....

Then again I can't blame them for doing it cause no one else wants to do it. So what can you do??

It's up to the government to decide.

You can blame Tyson all you want, but what do you do when you can't find help??? I would love to see what meat prices would be if they didn't find help.

[jbhtexas]

Originally Posted by CTAClone

How do they know how many illegal immigrants there are? If they know how many there are, how come they can't get rid of them? When someone gets this free health care is their box they check that says "I'm an illegal immigrant."? When they send a child to school, do they also inform the school that this child is an "illegal immigrant."?

Well, it's pretty simple really...just ask. When somebody comes in for free or reduced-fee healthcare, that person is asked to show some form of ID...birth certificate, driver's licence, passport, greencard, etc. At that point, it's pretty easy to figure out who is legal and who isn't, and mark it down on the daily stat sheet.

No...the numbers aren't fudged to further some agenda. Illegals cost US local taxpayers a bunch of money.

[CTAClone]

Originally Posted by jbhtexas

Well, it's pretty simple really...just ask. When somebody comes in for free or reduced-fee healthcare, that person is asked to show some form of ID...birth certificate, driver's licence, passport, greencard, etc. At that point, it's pretty easy to figure out who is legal and who isn't, and mark it down on the daily stat sheet.

No...the numbers aren't fudged to further some agenda. Illegals cost US local taxpayers a bunch of money.

I've never had to show an ID at the Doctor, but that's probably because I hand them that insurance card that say's I'll be paying. If I'm going to the emergency room I'm not sure if I'd remember to bring my ID with me. But I'm not an experienced ER goer so I don't know what it's really like.

I don't think those numbers are fudged, I just don't think they can come up with an accurate estimate, and if they can, why can't they get rid of the people. If they know how much they are costing us, they must know of the person that is spending the money, so they must be able to get rid of them. If they are flooding ER's, why aren't they just posting a INS agent at these hospitals? It'd be a much cheaper way to get rid of them rather than doing these expensive raids, and the way you guys make it sound like these emergency rooms are completely packed with illegals every single day.

If it does cost us $172 a year to pay for the illegal immigrants in our country, how much money are we saving on our food products because of that? Would it cost us more per year to get rid of them and then spend more money on the food? I honestly don't know, but it's something to think about.

[copenhagen]

some east coast guy comes here with isreali foreign investors, to start a kosher meat packing plant, no doubt recieving some sort of corporate welfare, then has the gall to bring in a bunch of 3rd world rabble to do the work, paying pathetic wages. These meatpacking places should be paying $20.00 a hr. Just like the rest of these places passing the HUGE social cost on to the rest of the state.