China vs U.S.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by chengyushen

Well, china's communist party is a party of anything but coummunist. I know it still bears the name of "communist", but none of the party member, top to bottom, believes in comunism now.

But, they do still seem to believe in maintaining their hold on power through a suppression of information and civil liberties.
Civil liberties in the People's Republic of China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Golden Shield Project - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
ABC News: Chinese Civil Rights Activist Sentenced
Amnesty International targets China cooperation - CNET News.com

[weR138]

Originally Posted by chengyushen

This is the dumbest post ever on cyclonefanatics! And I am sure you have never read something truethful about china let alone visited china

I came from China and have lived in US for many years and I call both places home. Todays China is 100% different from your imagination. China now is a captalism society (aka "free society"). People can critize everyone, including the communist party chairman on the street or internet, without fearing anything (of course, they still only have limited freedom on this matter on newspaper or other public media)

I accredit China's fast development to the free market competition (captalism), and chinese people's hardworking nature. Chinese people generally working longer hours than US workers, and my friends there have more pressure than I do. For a simple example of comparison, road construction there typically takes weeks, while here in US it typically takes months or years. That is how we are catching up.

Of course China has its own problems, but a military invasion will certainly send both countries to stone age.

100% different? There is freedom of religion in China? A minimum wage, what is it in US dollars? Eight hour work day? Please expound on the difference between my perception ( and the Dalai Lama's and Amnesty International's ) and the real China.

[rahtotheames]

Capitalist country - sure

Yet your median income is still that of Post-Civil War America.

Now that would be understandable if you were, say a third world country. (or socialistic)

It is obvious that there is still a heavy distribution of wealth.

[Cyclone711]

Originally Posted by Cyclonepride

I'm not sure if I believe that, but we have republicans and democrats who don't seem to believe in democracy anymore, so I'll cut you some slack.

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[SouthernHawk]

Originally Posted by chengyushen

This is the dumbest post ever on cyclonefanatics! And I am sure you have never read something truethful about china let alone visited china

I came from China and have lived in US for many years and I call both places home. Todays China is 100% different from your imagination. China now is a captalism society (aka "free society"). People can critize everyone, including the communist party chairman on the street or internet, without fearing anything (of course, they still only have limited freedom on this matter on newspaper or other public media)

I accredit China's fast development to the free market competition (captalism), and chinese people's hardworking nature. Chinese people generally working longer hours than US workers, and my friends there have more pressure than I do. For a simple example of comparison, road construction there typically takes weeks, while here in US it typically takes months or years. That is how we are catching up.

Of course China has its own problems, but a military invasion will certainly send both countries to stone age.

Our roads last for quite a while. Just sayin'

[scubapohl1]

The US out spends China by between 4 and 7 fold on defense (depending on who's numbers you read). In any military comparison, it is no contest aside from the fact that they have about a 1.5 million man poorly equiped Army.

The reality is that the US and China are far, far too economically tied to ever go to blows. Both countries have way too much to lose.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by rahtotheames

Capitalist country - sure

Yet your median income is still that of Post-Civil War America.

Now that would be understandable if you were, say a third world country. (or socialistic)

It is obvious that there is still a heavy distribution of wealth.

I'm a bit confused by this. Are you arguing that poverty indicates a lack of capitalism? The distribution of wealth comment is also curious, as the distribution of wealth in the U.S. is very far from even.

[chengyushen]

Originally Posted by rahtotheames

Capitalist country - sure

Yet your median income is still that of Post-Civil War America.

Now that would be understandable if you were, say a third world country. (or socialistic)

It is obvious that there is still a heavy distribution of wealth.

Not all the time the comparison of median income makes sense.

Yes here an ordinary american makes 2k USD a months after tax, and ordinary chinese makes 400 USD a months, but an ordinary resturant in US cost about 10 bucks/per person, while the cost in a city in china is about 2 dollars per person.

An expensive condo in NYC costs about 2 miilion, while the most expensive condo in shanghai costs about 500K.

[superdorf]

I'm sure that some of our other resident military experts (Phadreus) will be chiming in soon...but...

My dad has worked as a civilian for the US Army for over 35 years in procurement and contracting the entire time. I had this exact conversation with him a year or so ago and without hesitation he said we would LOSE a ground war with China (on their soil)... so maybe, if they tried to invade the US we could withstand it, but I think that if we tried to go there we would be in for a world of hurt.

[Cyclone711]

Originally Posted by Kyle

I'm a bit confused by this. Are you arguing that poverty indicates a lack of capitalism? The distribution of wealth comment is also curious, as the distribution of wealth in the U.S. is very far from even.

Our extreme poverty is middle class to theirs. Which is ironic because "theoretically" there is supposed to be no poverty in communism. Ignorance is bliss.

[Cyclone711]

Originally Posted by superdorf

I'm sure that some of our other resident military experts (Phadreus) will be chiming in soon...but...

My dad has worked as a civilian for the US Army for over 35 years in procurement and contracting the entire time. I had this exact conversation with him a year or so ago and without hesitation he said we would LOSE a ground war with China (on their soil)... so maybe, if they tried to invade the US we could withstand it, but I think that if we tried to go there we would be in for a world of hurt.

I doubt either country could win a ground war. Would be far too many civilians responding and fighting back. Also, I'm willing to bet if we were invaded the draft would be in full effect.

[LindenCy]

Originally Posted by Cyclone711

Our extreme poverty is middle class to theirs. Which is ironic because "theoretically" there is supposed to be no poverty in communism. Ignorance is bliss.

That is one problem I have with people arguing about poverty in the US. It isn't good, and I hope we keep working to help it, but compared to a huge portion of the world, the US citizens in poverty are still doing a lot better. The wealth distribution may not be what we would like, but our citizens eat (for the most part).

[Cyclonepride]

Originally Posted by superdorf

I'm sure that some of our other resident military experts (Phadreus) will be chiming in soon...but...

My dad has worked as a civilian for the US Army for over 35 years in procurement and contracting the entire time. I had this exact conversation with him a year or so ago and without hesitation he said we would LOSE a ground war with China (on their soil)... so maybe, if they tried to invade the US we could withstand it, but I think that if we tried to go there we would be in for a world of hurt.

A ground war on Chinese soil would seem to be a ridiculous proposition, but the fact of the matter is that with somewhat swift US command of the sea and air, the outcome would not be in doubt. I highly doubt that the US would seek to crush and occupy China. Just destroy enough to minimalize the threat, and set them back about 50 years. I'll reiterate that the US military, from a technology standpoint, is years ahead. We're talking USC vs. UNI.

[Topshelf]

This is an interesting topic. I live in Shanghai right now. I get to see both sides of the coin.

Just so you know, when China wants something, they stop at nothing to get it, they don't care whose lives it affects. The Olympics are a prime example. Don't be surprised if China starts to run away with the medal count this summer (no pun intended). Let's turn this into a Summer Olympics debate instead. Who is going to win the most medals at the Olympics? Who will win the most gold medals?

FYI... China is no longer a true communist country. It also isn't a true capitalistic country...

[Cyclone711]

Originally Posted by chinapuck

This is an interesting topic. I live in Shanghai right now. I get to see both sides of the coin.

Just so you know, when China wants something, they stop at nothing to get it, they don't care whose lives it affects. The Olympics are a prime example. Don't be surprised if China starts to run away with the medal count this summer (no pun intended). Let's turn this into a Summer Olympics debate instead. Who is going to win the most medals at the Olympics? Who will win the most gold medals?

FYI... China is no longer a true communist country. It also isn't a true capitalistic country...

Didn't they build a damn that destroyed something like 100,000 villagers homes?

Also on the note of the olympics. I would absolutely love to see American football in the olympics (I know it will never happen) just because I think it would be awesome to see (and because we would dominate ).