China vs U.S.

rahtotheames · 05-12-2008, 05:23 PM

Undoubtedly, The United States and China are opposite in culural values, politics, etc. With China looking more like a superpower every day, a clash is almost certain. If we were to go to war with China, who would invade? Would either succeed? What would be the implications, etc. What would be successful military strategies for either side?

SouthernHawk · 05-12-2008, 05:29 PM

Nukes. We have more.

Cyclonepride · 05-12-2008, 05:39 PM

China, at this point in time, is not a match for the US military by any means. They lack the ability to project their power on a world-wide scale. They are pushing hard to bridge the gap, but their main technological strategy is stealing from the US. Their population would seemingly give them an edge, but in reality, their massive population would weigh them down, as the minimum portion of resources just to keep their people alive and kicking is staggering. So they bear watching, but are not on the same playing field yet.

Kyle · 05-12-2008, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by rahtotheames

Undoubtedly, The United States and China are opposite in culural values, politics, etc. With China looking more like a superpower every day, a clash is almost certain. If we were to go to war with China, who would invade? Would either succeed? What would be the implications, etc. What would be successful military strategies for either side?

The best solution is of course to avoid war. Both countries have plenty of nukes and would probably start using them if the other country got a foothold on the other's home soil.

Like most nations, China is on a path towards liberalization and will likely continue down that path in the future. Our best "weapon" with regards to China is probably continued economic and social interaction.

chengyushen · 05-12-2008, 05:47 PM

This is the dumbest post ever on cyclonefanatics! And I am sure you have never read something truethful about china let alone visited china

I came from China and have lived in US for many years and I call both places home. Todays China is 100% different from your imagination. China now is a captalism society (aka "free society"). People can critize everyone, including the communist party chairman on the street or internet, without fearing anything (of course, they still only have limited freedom on this matter on newspaper or other public media)

I accredit China's fast development to the free market competition (captalism), and chinese people's hardworking nature. Chinese people generally working longer hours than US workers, and my friends there have more pressure than I do. For a simple example of comparison, road construction there typically takes weeks, while here in US it typically takes months or years. That is how we are catching up.

Of course China has its own problems, but a military invasion will certainly send both countries to stone age.

theshadow · 05-12-2008, 05:48 PM

Greetings, Professor Falken.

Strange game.

The only winning move is not to play.

How about a nice game of chess?

Cyclonepride · 05-12-2008, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by chengyushen

This is the dumbest post ever on cyclonefanatics! And I am sure you have never read something truethful about china let alone visited china

I came from China and have lived in US for many years and I call both places home. Todays China is 100% different from your imagination. China now is a captalism society (aka "free society"). People can critize everyone, including the communist party chairman on the street or internet, without fearing anything (of course, they still only have limited freedom on this matter on newspaper or other public media)

I accredit China's fast development to the free market competition (captalism), and chinese people's hardworking nature. Chinese people generally working longer hours than US workers, and my friends there have more pressure than I do. For a simple example of comparison, road construction there typically takes weeks, while here in US it typically takes months or years. That is how we are catching up.

Of course China has its own problems, but a military invasion will certainly send both countries to stone age.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but the bulk of the information I can find on China suggests a society which is opening up, but is not nearly what could be considered a free society. I'm not suggesting that the US take aggressive action towards China by any means (or vice versa). China seems to have an advantage in getting some projects done by forcing people to relocate from their homes, with some compensation, though not necessarily fair market value.

So I guess I would have to agree that the common image of China may not be an accurate picture of reality, but it seems like your version may gloss over the ugly realities as well.

Cyclone711 · 05-12-2008, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by chengyushen

This is the dumbest post ever on cyclonefanatics! And I am sure you have never read something truethful about china let alone visited china

I came from China and have lived in US for many years and I call both places home. Todays China is 100% different from your imagination. China now is a captalism society (aka "free society"). People can critize everyone, including the communist party chairman on the street or internet, without fearing anything (of course, they still only have limited freedom on this matter on newspaper or other public media)

I accredit China's fast development to the free market competition (captalism), and chinese people's hardworking nature. Chinese people generally working longer hours than US workers, and my friends there have more pressure than I do. For a simple example of comparison, road construction there typically takes weeks, while here in US it typically takes months or years. That is how we are catching up.

Of course China has its own problems, but a military invasion will certainly send both countries to stone age.

So they're a capitalist communist nation? Well, that just made it all make sense to me...

Also, in an all out war their population would be a disadvantage. They are already struggling to feed and power their entire nation at peace time, during war they wouldn't have enough supplies to provide for everyone. Now of course this wouldn't apply to their military, but their citizens would suffer.

mjones34 · 05-12-2008, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by chengyushen

This is the dumbest post ever on cyclonefanatics! And I am sure you have never read something truethful about china let alone visited china

I came from China and have lived in US for many years and I call both places home. Todays China is 100% different from your imagination. China now is a captalism society (aka "free society"). People can critize everyone, including the communist party chairman on the street or internet, without fearing anything (of course, they still only have limited freedom on this matter on newspaper or other public media)

I accredit China's fast development to the free market competition (captalism), and chinese people's hardworking nature. Chinese people generally working longer hours than US workers, and my friends there have more pressure than I do. For a simple example of comparison, road construction there typically takes weeks, while here in US it typically takes months or years. That is how we are catching up.

Of course China has its own problems, but a military invasion will certainly send both countries to stone age.

I wouldn't call something dumb and then making an obvious spelling error....just saying...it kind of invalidates your point.

Kyle · 05-12-2008, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by Cyclone711

So they're a capitalist communist nation? Well, that just made it all make sense to me...

Economically China's leaders have embraced capitalism. It is by no means laissez-faire, but it is far from centralized government control of the means of production and distribution.

Politically, China remains a communist country in that its leaders ensure the communist party's hold on power through a suppression of information and civil liberties.

Kyle · 05-12-2008, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by mjones34

I wouldn't call something dumb and then making an obvious spelling error....just saying...it kind of invalidates your point.

Dude, the guy's from China. I sure as hell couldn't spell anything in Chinese, so I don't think a lack of perfection with a second language can be taken as a sign that the poster lacks intelligence. There are multiple grammatical errors in the post, but I'm pretty sure we can all get the point.

cyfan964 · 05-12-2008, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by Kyle

Dude, the guy's from China. I sure as hell couldn't spell anything in Chinese, so I don't think a lack of perfection with a second language can be taken as a sign that the poster lacks intelligence. There are multiple grammatical errors in the post, but I'm pretty sure we can all get the point.

I'm pretty sure he didn't have to call the post the dumbest one ever posted either. Just saying.

chengyushen · 05-12-2008, 06:17 PM

Well, china's communist party is a party of anything but coummunist. I know it still bears the name of "communist", but none of the party member, top to bottom, believes in comunism now.

Kyle · 05-12-2008, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by cyfan964

I'm pretty sure he didn't have to call the post the dumbest one ever posted either. Just saying.

Touche`.

Cyclonepride · 05-12-2008, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by chengyushen

Well, china's communist party is a party of anything but coummunist. I know it still bears the name of "communist", but none of the party member, top to bottom, believes in comunism now.

I'm not sure if I believe that, but we have republicans and democrats who don't seem to believe in democracy anymore

, so I'll cut you some slack.