Vatican: It's OK to believe in aliens - Page 2

larrysarmy · 05-14-2008, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by CloneAggie

Phew ... this is a relief.

Believers can have an "extraterrestrial brother". I wonder if E.T. is in heaven?
See rest of article here...

Wow...this is sad. Some will do anything to smash the two sides together. Just as long as it doesn't offend anyone...even if it appears as silly as this.

1100011CS · 05-14-2008, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by larrysarmy

Wow...this is sad. Some will do anything to smash the two sides together. Just as long as it doesn't offend anyone...even if it appears as silly as this.

I think that's the point. Why does there have to be two sides? Why can't you believe in God and the Big Bang theory and evolution? They don't have to be mutually exclusive.

The_Architect · 05-14-2008, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by 1100011CS

I think that's the point. Why does there have to be two sides? Why can't you believe in God and the Big Bang theory and evolution? They don't have to be mutually exclusive.

I agree. All it takes to be a Christian is to believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ and to embrace him as your savior. I believe God is behind evolution and I don't see an issue with that and neither does the church I belong to(ELCS).

On a side note, has anyone else noticed the relatively high number of articles in the main stream media about UFO's within the past year or so?

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...cle1160625.ece

1100011CS · 05-14-2008, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by The_Architect

I agree. All it takes to be a Christian is to believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ and to embrace him as your savior. I believe God is behind evolution and I don't see an issue with that and neither does the church I belong to(ELCS).

On a side note, has anyone else noticed the relatively high number of articles in the main stream media about UFO's within the past year or so?

There's seems to be some kind of cycle with UFO interest. About 10 years ago SETI was huge. I think that's what it was called. I just remember everyone at work running that screensaver

larrysarmy · 05-14-2008, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by 1100011CS

I think that's the point. Why does there have to be two sides? Why can't you believe in God and the Big Bang theory and evolution? They don't have to be mutually exclusive.

Well...I guess it depends on what version of God your refering to. (Which is another problem altogether) In the context of Christianity....Evolution is completly on the opposite side. Jesus quoted and referenced on numerous occasions, a literal Genesis. Which, when read plainly, does not imply evolution as Gods means for creating life.

As for the Big Bang....I don't think most Christians have an issue with that. The universe had a begining, it had to come from somewhere and someone. As opposed to everything coming into existence out of nothing...most Christians would believe God is the cause. Which, of course, Genesis plainly points out.

isugcs · 05-14-2008, 11:25 AM

I find it ironic that the Big Bang theory was rejected initially, fought over after that, then accepted after Bell labs detected the residual radiation from the Big Bang, all after the idea was proposed by a Roman Catholic Priest who happened to be a Physicist.

Go2Guy · 05-14-2008, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by CTAClone

If my dog can't go to heaven, I don't know if I wanna be there.

LOL CTA - and I agree with you (I also agree with the poster who commented about cats

).

It's quite possible to believe that our pets will be in heaven - like the topic if alien beings, the bible is silent about pet heaven. If God created the universe and all inhabitants (aliens too), then the logical assumption follows there's a place in heaven for us all.

PS: I just hope I get to see my 'Clones in a January bowl before I leave (either that, or I hope there's bowl games in heaven).

Kyle · 05-14-2008, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by larrysarmy

Well...I guess it depends on what version of God your refering to. (Which is another problem altogether) In the context of Christianity....Evolution is completly on the opposite side. Jesus quoted and referenced on numerous occasions, a literal Genesis. Which, when read plainly, does not imply evolution as Gods means for creating life.

As for the Big Bang....I don't think most Christians have an issue with that. The universe had a begining, it had to come from somewhere and someone. As opposed to everything coming into existence out of nothing...most Christians would believe God is the cause. Which, of course, Genesis plainly points out.

A literal interpretation of Genesis is not especially friendly to our current scientific notions of what followed the big bang either. For example, it says earth was created before pretty much anything else other than the heavens, which were seemingly created at the same time. (Genesis 1.1) There was apparently day and night prior to the existence of the sun. (Genesis 1.5, 1.16) The earth was also said to have existed before the stars. (Genesis 1.14) Not to mention the whole earth being less than 6000 years old thing. Dating Creation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wx4Cy · 05-14-2008, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by Go2Guy

PS: I just hope I get to see my 'Clones in a January bowl before I leave (either that, or I hope there's bowl games in heaven).

I like this logic. That means that hawk fans can "leave" now.

The_Architect · 05-14-2008, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by Kyle

A literal interpretation of Genesis is not especially friendly to our current scientific notions of what followed the big bang either. For example, it says earth was created before pretty much anything else other than the heavens, which were seemingly created at the same time. (Genesis 1.1) There was apparently day and night prior to the existence of the sun. (Genesis 1.5, 1.16) The earth was also said to have existed before the stars. (Genesis 1.14) Not to mention the whole earth being less than 6000 years old thing. Dating Creation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That's why "most" Christians aren't young earth people.

clones_jer · 05-14-2008, 01:05 PM

I think some are using the terms "christian" and "Roman Catholic" interchangably in this conversation. to clarify, not all christians are rc, but all rc are christians.

The r-catholic church goes into detail about their stances on almost every issue, they even make silly little clarifications like the story that started this thread when they come up. Literal translations of the bible are less frequent than some in the press would have you believe ... although transfiguration is a hefty example for the other side.

The r-c church does not want to look bad, and as such has researchers and scientific minds of their own looking into issues from aliens to evolution and is not as far from the "main-stream" science on many topics as most laypeople beleive. Of course, no one wants to read church stances (I can only imagine the boredom) all day long to figure it out, so most just assume to know.

jdoggivjc · 05-14-2008, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by 1100011CS

There's seems to be some kind of cycle with UFO interest. About 10 years ago SETI was huge. I think that's what it was called. I just remember everyone at work running that screensaver

Keep in mind that 10+ years ago, Independence Day, Men in Black, the X Files, Armageddon, and Deep Impact were blockbuster hits. I know that Armageddon and Deep Impact weren't alien movies (they were about friggin' huge meteors hitting the earth), but all those movies put an impact on space and a lot of "what ifs."

Also keep in mind that UFOs aren't necessarily "alien-related." An unrecognizable wad of paper flying through the air is technically an unidentified flying object.

CyTom · 05-14-2008, 01:14 PM

So what does the Vatican think of zombies?

CloneAggie · 05-14-2008, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by CyTom

So what does the Vatican think of zombies?

I'm sure they'll say zombies are related to purgatory somehow.

larrysarmy · 05-14-2008, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by Kyle

A literal interpretation of Genesis is not especially friendly to our current scientific notions of what followed the big bang either. For example, it says earth was created before pretty much anything else other than the heavens, which were seemingly created at the same time. (Genesis 1.1) There was apparently day and night prior to the existence of the sun. (Genesis 1.5, 1.16) The earth was also said to have existed before the stars. (Genesis 1.14) Not to mention the whole earth being less than 6000 years old thing. Dating Creation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Fair enough....I should of clarified. I simply agree with the notion of there being...for lack of a better word...a Big Banger (God). The commonly held Big Bang Theory, something came from nothing and then over billions of years created order from disorder and life from non-life...I don't subcribe to.

God created us just as the Genesis account you were referencing. My bad...