New Endangered Species

**snowcraig2.0** · 05-14-2008, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by Cyclonepride

Perhaps those damn bears need to learn to adapt.

Actually, they are. I just watched a show the other day about how the bears are starting to work together to hunt walrus. It was pretty interesting. I can't remember if it was Discovery or NGC though.

**uro cy** · 05-14-2008, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by snowcraig2.0

I'm not your guy, buddy!!!

Easy there, pal!

**Clone9** · 05-14-2008, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by Cyclonepride

Perhaps those damn bears need to learn to adapt.

This is ridiculous.

**cmoneyr** · 05-14-2008, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by Cyclonepride

Perhaps those damn bears need to learn to adapt.

I can't tell if that was tongue in cheek or not...and cyclonepride saying it doesn't make it any easier.

**joefrog** · 05-14-2008, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by cmoneyr

I'm so confused. Polar bears are dying, their habitat is shrinking. But everyone on this board tells me global warming isn't real. Who do I believe!?!?

Well, how about we start here:

Between 1965 and 1970 the population of polar bears was estimated at only 8,000 - 10,000 and it was classified as an endangered species.

Fortunately, in 1973, an international agreement banned the hunting of the polar bear, only the native Inuits being allowed to kill them. Since the ban, the polar bear population has steadily increased and the current population worldwide is now between 20,000 - 40,000.

That work for you? Numbers are up on Polar bears. Up a lot actually. This is all more feel bad about your lifestyle nonsense. You like paying $4 or even $5 for a gallon of gas? It is coming, and coming soon. Just remember to blame those evil gas companies, it is there fault we don't let them drill or refine more.

**Bewilderme** · 05-14-2008, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by joefrog

Well, how about we start here:

Between 1965 and 1970 the population of polar bears was estimated at only 8,000 - 10,000 and it was classified as an endangered species.

Fortunately, in 1973, an international agreement banned the hunting of the polar bear, only the native Inuits being allowed to kill them. Since the ban, the polar bear population has steadily increased and the current population worldwide is now between 20,000 - 40,000.

That work for you? Numbers are up on Polar bears. Up a lot actually. This is all more feel bad about your lifestyle nonsense. You like paying $4 or even $5 for a gallon of gas? It is coming, and coming soon. Just remember to blame those evil gas companies, it is there fault we don't let them drill or refine more.

Do you think that the number of Polar Bears before European contact was 8,000-10,000? The reason that the legislation was passed to protect the Polar Bear in 1973 was because it had been hunted down to such a low population level. Now that the polar ice is melting, they are starving because of a loss of critical hunting habitat.

This phenomenon IS happening, whether or not we humans are having all that much to do with it. However, there are very few things on this planet that our actions do not have a large effect upon. This planet is all we have; it needs to be respected, no matter what.

**uro cy** · 05-14-2008, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by Cyclonepride

Perhaps those damn bears need to learn to adapt.

Are you suggestion they try to evolve??!!?!
Thats a foolish concept....
Now, maybe, someone could try re-intelligently design them.

**CYKOFAN** · 05-14-2008, 09:18 PM

Well said Bewilderme but too much common sense for a lot of the oil worshipers on this board.

**cmoneyr** · 05-14-2008, 09:19 PM

Originally Posted by joefrog

Well, how about we start here:

Between 1965 and 1970 the population of polar bears was estimated at only 8,000 - 10,000 and it was classified as an endangered species.

Fortunately, in 1973, an international agreement banned the hunting of the polar bear, only the native Inuits being allowed to kill them. Since the ban, the polar bear population has steadily increased and the current population worldwide is now between 20,000 - 40,000.

That work for you? Numbers are up on Polar bears. Up a lot actually. This is all more feel bad about your lifestyle nonsense. You like paying $4 or even $5 for a gallon of gas? It is coming, and coming soon. Just remember to blame those evil gas companies, it is there fault we don't let them drill or refine more.

Wow, 2 posts and already so much hostility. Pace yourself, it's a long race.

**joefrog** · 05-14-2008, 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by Bewilderme

Do you think that the number of Polar Bears before European contact was 8,000-10,000? The reason that the legislation was passed to protect the Polar Bear in 1973 was because it had been hunted down to such a low population level. Now that the polar ice is melting, they are starving because of a loss of critical hunting habitat.

This phenomenon IS happening, whether or not we humans are having all that much to do with it. However, there are very few things on this planet that our actions do not have a large effect upon. This planet is all we have; it needs to be respected, no matter what.

The earth has heated and cooled on its own before any humans were here. This is a fact. One volcano erupting can pollute the earth's environment as much as all of the vehicle's on earth in a year.

So glad I am going to pay more in taxes and also for gasoline because polar bears look so cute and cuddly. Maybe you could find some pictures of a polar bear with water wings on to garner more sympathy?

**alaskaguy** · 05-14-2008, 09:30 PM

Originally Posted by cmoneyr

I'm so confused. Polar bears are dying, their habitat is shrinking. But everyone on this board tells me global warming isn't real. Who do I believe!?!?

The polar bear population has increased over the last 50 years and is relatively stable today.

Historically, polar bears have thrived in temperatures far warmer than at present -- during the medieval warm period 1,000 years ago and during the Holocene Climate Optimum between 5,000 and 9,000 years ago.

**cmoneyr** · 05-14-2008, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by alaskaguy

The polar bear population has increased over the last 50 years and is relatively stable today.

Sure, in Alaska. But how many do you see in the United States? Ha.

**06_CY** · 05-14-2008, 09:37 PM

Not another Global Warming excuse; I refuse to argue the non-existence twice in one day, on seperate websites.

**joefrog** · 05-14-2008, 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by cmoneyr

Wow, 2 posts and already so much hostility. Pace yourself, it's a long race.

Sorry, I am normally a pretty reasonable person. Not on this. No way. Environmentalism is big government through the backdoor. Everybody wants the cleanest environment possible, including me. I have seen the advancements made in the last 30 years and think we are on the right track. Conservation tillage and buffer zones by farmers for one. Cleaner burning coal plants. Lower emission vehicles. All great things with more to come.

The world runs on oil though. Period. I doubt many people have swam in the arctic ocean or visited ANWR as I have. To not expand oil production there is ridiculous. To call it a barren wasteland does not do it justice, it is worse than that. No you do not see abundant wildlife there like the pictures they show.

So people didn't respond, you do want to pay $4 to $5 a gallon of gas? Are you still going to be mad at oil companies for making a 9% profit?

**snowcraig2.0** · 05-14-2008, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by alaskaguy

The polar bear population has increased over the last 50 years and is relatively stable today.

Historically, polar bears have thrived in temperatures far warmer than at present -- during the medieval warm period 1,000 years ago and during the Holocene Climate Optimum between 5,000 and 9,000 years ago.

The bears are already showing the ability to adapt. I for one bet they survive / evolve.