New Endangered Species - Page 4

ISUKyro · 05-15-2008, 05:05 PM

I'm blaming the beady little eyes and the flapping jaws of Canada.

..........buddy.

joefrog · 05-15-2008, 05:11 PM

I hope people don't misread my last post. Being pretty new to this site, I am happy to find a community of reasonable people. Discussion of an issue can routinely get ugly in a hurry and turn into ad hominem attacks. Nice to see that does not happen here.

I would like to post more in Cyclone threads, but it just seems to be a slow time of the year, don't worry, it will pick up.

Clone9 · 05-15-2008, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by Cyclonepride

Yes, in both cases. In one, they are asking us to believe a story for mostly entertainment value, in the other they are asking us to believe it and spend trillions.

Don't you get it, if the US took the economic lead on this issue, we could be the ones making the trillions of dollars that you say are wasted, and I say are worth saving our grandchildren's planet. Either way, we win.

Cyclonepride · 05-15-2008, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by Clone9

Don't you get it, if the US took the economic lead on this issue, we could be the ones making the trillions of dollars that you say are wasted, and I say are worth saving our grandchildren's planet. Either way, we win.

Hey! Look! Everyone else is throwing money down a hole! Let's do that with ours as well!

Clone9 · 05-15-2008, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by joefrog

I also am not going to feel bad for my lifestyle, not one bit. Sorry.

Nobody is telling you to feel guilty about it, but maybe you could do your part to reduce your consumption, just like everyone else should. We can all do a little to reduce our energy use without affecting our lifestyle.

Originally Posted by joefrog

Why does everybody forget the Earth has been much hotter and colder then now on its own? Can everybody at least agree on that? Who has the authority to determine what exactly is the best temperature for the planet? Maybe the heating and cooling of the planet over time is a good and natural thing? Seems to have worked pretty good so far.

How did the humans do in those other extreme heating/cooling periods? Right, not very well. Are we supposed to try and not prevent a plague just because humanity has survived one before?

Cyclonepride · 05-16-2008, 06:43 AM

Originally Posted by Clone9

Nobody is telling you to feel guilty about it, but maybe you could do your part to reduce your consumption, just like everyone else should. We can all do a little to reduce our energy use without affecting our lifestyle.

Actually, most scientists and activists admit that only extreme, drastic changes in lifestyle will make a difference one way or the other.

How did the humans do in those other extreme heating/cooling periods? Right, not very well. Are we supposed to try and not prevent a plague just because humanity has survived one before?

The current warming cycle (the last 10,000 years or so) that the Earth is experiencing has led to our ability to expand and prosper. Not sure where you get the "extreme heating" as the last ten years have been relatively flat.

Just curious, why isn't the Southern hemisphere experiencing any warming?

herbicide · 05-16-2008, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by Cyclonepride

Just curious, why isn't the Southern hemisphere experiencing any warming?

This is actually one argument for man made global warming. Almost all of the world's industry and CO2 emissions are in the Northern hemisphere.

I was taught years ago from a science teacher that the weather patterns between the North and South do not mix, they stay rather separate. This tidbit was brought about during a discussion on a nuclear winter. They estimate that after a nuclear war, the Southern hemisphere would not receive much change, assuming no/minimal use of nuclear weapons in the southern hemisphere.

Cyclonepride · 05-16-2008, 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by herbicide

This is actually one argument for man made global warming. Almost all of the world's industry and CO2 emissions are in the Northern hemisphere.

I was taught years ago from a science teacher that the weather patterns between the North and South do not mix, they stay rather separate. This tidbit was brought about during a discussion on a nuclear winter. They estimate that after a nuclear war, the Southern hemisphere would not receive much change, assuming no/minimal use of nuclear weapons in the southern hemisphere.

It is true that the bulk of CO2 emissions are from the Northern hemisphere. However, CO2 does distribute throughout the world to achieve a natural balance, and the data that I can find says that the Southern hemisphere only lags about 1 or 2 years behind. Since we are in about the second decade of warming, that would suggest that the Southern hemisphere would be 1 or 2 years behind in warming as well, which has not been the case.

Wesley · 05-16-2008, 08:17 AM

The change in the winds on the oceans can greatly change the ability of the water to absorb CO2 also. In more turbulent weather times, more mixing occurs in the ocean.

Bewilderme · 05-16-2008, 08:51 AM

What I would like to know is: What are we going to do about the giant floating plastic raft in the Pacific Ocean between California and Hawaii? This seems like one of those issues that needs to be looked at in the light of its causes.

The Great Pacific Garbage Patch: "Out of Sight, Out of Mind" : TreeHugger

Wesley · 05-16-2008, 09:26 AM

Looks to me like we have a new source of raw materials when we need them.

Cy Heavy · 05-16-2008, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by herbicide

The hard reality of this is no one really knows the true cause and effect of mankind's activities in relation to the climate.

Simply put, there are valid arguments and data for, just as there are valid arguments and data against.

Pro warmers often ignore the effect of sunspots, etc, and the anti global warming side often ignores the fact that CO2 is a known greenhouse gas and the amounts in the air are very high. IMO the single biggest problem with all of this is the cause and effect issue-> Does CO2 cause increased warming, or does warming cause increased CO2? (The answer is yes to both questions)

I have "followed" this topic for years, and I personally am undecided on the topic. Too many unknowns and conflicting information.

With all that said, IMO we should do what we reasonably can to reduce these emissions.

Yeah, what he said.

Clone9 · 05-16-2008, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by Cyclonepride

the data that I can find says that the Southern hemisphere only lags about 1 or 2 years behind.

This data was probably generated by some scientist with some agenda. I thought we couldn't believe any of it.

Clone9 · 05-16-2008, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by Cyclonepride

The current warming cycle (the last 10,000 years or so) that the Earth is experiencing has led to our ability to expand and prosper. Not sure where you get the "extreme heating" as the last ten years have been relatively flat.

Just curious, why isn't the Southern hemisphere experiencing any warming?

I'm talking about extreme temperature fluctuations in our planet's history. Not recently.

I think everyone agrees that we are only at the beginning of a potential period of global warming.

Clone9 · 05-16-2008, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by Cyclonepride

Hey! Look! Everyone else is throwing money down a hole! Let's do that with ours as well!

Whether you believe it or not, those people are trying to save your behind, as well as your grandchildren's behinds.

You can stand on the side and watch - I want the US to take the lead and a) do what we can to preserve the environment, and b) be standing at the bottom of the hole.