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Old 05-16-2008, 01:10 PM   #16
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Re: What if gas cost $10 a gallon?

As oil gets more expensive, alternate fuels, and oil in harder to refine forms (shale oil, etc) become more attractive and feasible, and thus will start to counterbalance the increased cost of "normal" oil.

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Old 05-16-2008, 01:14 PM   #17
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I think I'd buy a bike.

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Old 05-16-2008, 01:16 PM   #18
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Is this where they squeeze the oil out of a sandy soil?
Yes from what I understand.

I have a friend that works as a fuel analyst and he explained to me that the current process is so cost intensive and takes so long that production levels and need at lower price/barrel hasn't warranted massive production.

I also read an article about a new technology that has been developed to extract up to 80-85% of the oil from the tar/sand fields through (more or less shaking out the sand).

I'm no economist but if this becomes profitable at around $150-$175 a barrell and there is up to a reported 175 billion barrell supply in Canada (262B in Saudi) this could prevent prices from skyrocketing too much in the coming years. Anybody have any input on that??
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Old 05-16-2008, 01:18 PM   #19
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Yes from what I understand.

I have a friend that works as a fuel analyst and he explained to me that the current process is so cost intensive and takes so long that production levels and need at lower price/barrel hasn't warranted massive production.

I also read an article about a new technology that has been developed to extract up to 80-85% of the oil from the tar/sand fields through (more or less shaking out the sand).

I'm no economist but if this becomes profitable at around $150-$175 a barrell and there is up to a reported 175 billion barrell supply in Canada (262B in Saudi) this could prevent prices from skyrocketing too much in the coming years. Anybody have any input on that??
I watched a show on this once. It was a number of years ago. Not only is the process to get the oil out of the sand difficult, but the climate conditions they were working in were extreme to say the least.

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Old 05-16-2008, 01:18 PM   #20
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What if gas cost $10 a gallon?
My butt would be in shape, as I'd be using a bike.

Or the simpler and much more realistic option would be - I'd develop the worlds first transporter.

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Old 05-16-2008, 01:19 PM   #21
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Re: What if gas cost $10 a gallon?

Thermal depolymerization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

We can brew our own oil from garbage or other wastes. As oil gets more expensive, we have vast "warehouses" of raw materials available in garbage dumps to feed these plants.
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Old 05-16-2008, 01:29 PM   #22
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The thing to think about is how much longer can china support the purchasing of high priced oil. China and India are still considered developing countries. The people of those two countries don't have as much disposable income that we americans enjoy. Eventually the rising oil prices will level out because people will refuse to pay for it.

Another underlieing problem that we are faced with, that plays a part in the high oil prices, is the dollar. If the dollar improves, you will be able to get more oil for a dollar, meaning that oil prices should lower slightly. It won't be much but every dollar makes a difference.
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Old 05-16-2008, 01:35 PM   #23
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Thermal depolymerization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

We can brew our own oil from garbage or other wastes. As oil gets more expensive, we have vast "warehouses" of raw materials available in garbage dumps to feed these plants.

I case any of you didn't know, Iowa State is on the leading edge of biorenewable energies. We perform research in many fields. Two of the main processes that are being research are gasification (produces a natural gas type gas) and fast pyrolysis (produces bio-oil.

Its really quite interesting and there is a lot of progress being made.

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Check out the website for more information on individual projects.
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Old 05-16-2008, 01:36 PM   #24
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All we hear about is Alaska, but are there other areas within the US where we could drill for oil without disrupting such pristine nature areas?
That nature area is not as pristine as it has been made out to be. Desolate is a more accurate description. It is not the Alaska of postcard fame.
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Old 05-16-2008, 01:45 PM   #25
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Soros: ‘We’re in a Period of Wealth Destruction’

What would happen? Here is a semi related diatribe on effects of wealth destruction with softening of house values and the rising price of energy:

Soros: ‘We’re in a Period of Wealth Destruction’

Thursday, May 15, 2008 2:30 a.m. EDT
George Soros doesn’t mince his words when it comes to the credit crisis.
The U.S. has weathered the "acute phase” of the crisis, which he calls the worst since the 1930s, the chairman of Soros Fund Management and founder of the Quantum Fund said in several interviews recently.
"The days of rapid financial wealth creation are over. We’re now in a period of wealth destruction. It’s going to be very hard to preserve your wealth in these circumstances,” he told Money magazine.
The Fed’s rate cuts, down to 2 percent from 5.25 percent eight months ago, ultimately won’t prove enough, Soros says.


"The Fed’s first duty is to prevent the financial system from collapsing. It’s shown it can do that, and the markets are breathing a sigh of relief. But we can’t avoid the fallout in the real economy,” Soros says.
Recession is ahead, as is inflation and a flight from the U.S. dollar. But the Fed cannot simply increase the money supply as it might in normal circumstances to fight the recession. At least not without serious inflationary consequences, Soros warns.
"That’s why I think this crisis is so serious. The Fed’s power to intervene is limited,” Soros says.
Soros anticipates further sharp declines in housing prices.
"Americans ultimately won’t escape this episode without suffering a noticeable decline in their standard of living,” he warns in an interview with USAToday.
Soros says the Fed’s efforts to pump cash into the banking system to ease liquidity and the government’s $168 billion economic stimulus package, including millions of tax rebate checks, will not be enough to ignite a recovery.
What’s more, he adds, even as the clean-up continues, new bubbles are already forming in commodities markets and perhaps in China.
The Asian giant faces serious domestic inflation and export weakness if the U.S. downturn spreads abroad, Soros warns.
"China is not immune to the worldwide dislocation that started here,” he says.
As for his own money, Soros has put most of it in the hands of other managers in the form of an endowment fund. But he’s back in the game in this market, he tells Money.
"I came out of retirement and set up an account to hedge their positions,” he says. The strategy then was to short the dollar and U.S. and European markets and to go long in emerging markets.
"That worked last year, but this year bonds kept going up and emerging markets down, so I’m about even,” Soros says.
As for how we got here, Soros turns toward the philosophical side of economics.
He sees the subprime crisis as the event that pricked both the housing bubble and what he calls a 25-year-long "super bubble,” one he contends originated in the "debt-laden policies of the Reagan administration.”
Soros even goes a step further. He believes that the credit crunch wouldn’t have happened at all if the bankers who developed collateralized debt obligations (CDOs) had believed in the concept of "reflexivity” that he’s advocated for more than 20 years — albeit with little success — and not just conventional, classic free market theory.
Unlike free-market thought, which suggests that prices tend to balance over time and thus to reflect underlying value, reflexivity holds that prices affect fundamentals, leading to unbalanced markets and misunderstood value. Soros has invested heavily on that principle over the years.
According to Soros, standard economy theory "is flawed because it treats markets populated by thinking human beings as if they operated according to the natural laws that govern atoms and molecules.” "If banks, investors, and regulators had embraced reflexivity years ago, there never would have been a financial crisis,” he insists.

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Old 05-16-2008, 01:48 PM   #26
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If Gas is $10 then Minimum wage would need to be like $15/hour.

I think a different solution needs to be found. We can clone a person, but we can't find a decent way to make a car drive cheaply? That is Polictics and big companies being lazy and taking the easy way out. Imagine if there was no oil as of 1 year from now. I bet we would have people across the world working on solution night and day until we found something. we would have to redo infratructures since we wouldn't have gas stations with gas anymore. I almost picture a scenerio where we have a 10-15 year transition of hydrogen/gas filling stations. It would be like the Federal Digital TV issue where they would give you until 2020 to upgrade your car because they would be pulling the plug on gas.
Something has to change.
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Old 05-16-2008, 02:48 PM   #27
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What about the vast increases in the price for natural gas and electricity ? Natural gas will probably move pretty closelywith the price of oil. So in this example, it will go up about 250%. Go look at your heating bill from this past winter and multiple it by 2.5 if you have some type of gas heat. How much will you have less to spend. Personally, I'm think I should get used to Noodles heated by candles !

I think Midamerican has pretty set electrical prices but utilities in other states are already starting to add surcharges and price increases. My Uncle lives in Florida and they are adding $100 a month to your bill-regardless of how much you use.
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Old 05-16-2008, 03:04 PM   #28
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I think a different solution needs to be found. We can clone a person, but we can't find a decent way to make a car drive cheaply? That is Polictics and big companies being lazy and taking the easy way out. Imagine if there was no oil as of 1 year from now. I bet we would have people across the world working on solution night and day until we found something. we would have to redo infratructures since we wouldn't have gas stations with gas anymore. I almost picture a scenerio where we have a 10-15 year transition of hydrogen/gas filling stations. It would be like the Federal Digital TV issue where they would give you until 2020 to upgrade your car because they would be pulling the plug on gas.
Something has to change.
I agree with this. We need to move on and be the leader in whatever is next.
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Old 05-16-2008, 03:25 PM   #29
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All we hear about is Alaska, but are there other areas within the US where we could drill for oil without disrupting such pristine nature areas?
Here ya go: The Bakken Formation.

Bakken Formation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Helluva lot of oil, but not easy to get to. But with future technology an the rising cost of oil, maybe in the future it will be feasible.
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Old 05-16-2008, 03:28 PM   #30
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I unfortunately own a pair of roller blades and haven't used them since college. Even though I say all the time that dudes aren't meant to be seen on roller blades unless playing hockey in the summer, either my bike or roller blades would be taking me to work. I live about 7 miles from work and just haven't motivated myself to do it yet since I pick up kids at daycare and such. But even $5 a gallon would probably get me started on that bike!

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