Iraqi officials demand severe punishment of solider who shot Quran

Flag Guy · 05-19-2008, 12:26 PM

Iraq party: Punish U.S. soldier who shot at Quran - CNN.com

Summary (Man I can't believe Alaskaguy didn't hit this...): Iraqi government is demanding the US severly punish (to make an example of) a U.S. sniper that used a Quran for target practice, after having drawn and written swear words on the inside. The Army officials over there have already had a ceremony appologizing, and the solider has been re-assigned to the US (following a disicplinary procedure)

Now I agree the solider should be punished but I think they're making a bigger deal out of this than neccasiry... I doubt this big of a stink would be made if they defaced and shot a Bible.

That said, the solider should be pistol whipped because they DO get worked up over stuff like this, and this is the type of stuff Islamic extremist and anti-American arabs feed off of. Besides demonstrating a complete lack of professionalism (and yes, Soliders are professionals - I just spent an entire day at a Department of Defense open house emphesising the professionalism and dedication expected and exemplified by our men and women in Arms), and this type of stuff ****s it up for everyone still serving in the country and the 4000+ that have died in that country in the last 5 years. This is a war of hearts and minds, and a single action can out weigh hundreds of others, especially in a place like that.

Phaedrus · 05-19-2008, 11:43 PM

I agree with you, sir. This idiot who shot the Koran needs to be gone from the Army. We don't need him on our side, if you will.

Nothing like undoing progress.

Our actions in this will be judged more importantly than his idiocy, imo.

Cyclone62 · 05-19-2008, 11:59 PM

Originally Posted by Flag Guy

Iraq party: Punish U.S. soldier who shot at Quran - CNN.com

Summary (Man I can't believe Alaskaguy didn't hit this...): Iraqi government is demanding the US severly punish (to make an example of) a U.S. sniper that used a Quran for target practice, after having drawn and written swear words on the inside. The Army officials over there have already had a ceremony appologizing, and the solider has been re-assigned to the US (following a disicplinary procedure)

Now I agree the solider should be punished but I think they're making a bigger deal out of this than neccasiry... I doubt this big of a stink would be made if they defaced and shot a Bible.

That said, the solider should be pistol whipped because they DO get worked up over stuff like this, and this is the type of stuff Islamic extremist and anti-American arabs feed off of. Besides demonstrating a complete lack of professionalism (and yes, Soliders are professionals - I just spent an entire day at a Department of Defense open house emphesising the professionalism and dedication expected and exemplified by our men and women in Arms), and this type of stuff ****s it up for everyone still serving in the country and the 4000+ that have died in that country in the last 5 years. This is a war of hearts and minds, and a single action can out weigh hundreds of others, especially in a place like that.

Really? You think this wouldn't be much of a stink if it was a christian bible? I'll pee all over one in front of a church, and you'll be able able to see the headlines.

EDIT: I agree that this guy should be taken out of action for what he did.

LindenCy · 05-20-2008, 12:00 AM

The ad on the side is for a Muslim matrimonial site. Muslima.com - kind of interesting.

Cyclone62 · 05-20-2008, 12:04 AM

Originally Posted by LindenCy

The ad on the side is for a Muslim matrimonial site. Muslima.com - kind of interesting.

Mine is a target.com search for "diplomacy"

troyrew · 05-20-2008, 12:39 AM

Freedom of expression the koran is the devils work I would shoot it too

well at least that is some peoples opinion

Cyclone62 · 05-20-2008, 12:45 AM

Originally Posted by troyrew

Freedom of expression the koran is the devils work I would shoot it too

well at least that is some peoples opinion

Is that an honest belief? Sheesh. It's an expansion of the christian bible, much like the christian bible being an expansion of the OT.

Does that make both expansions a work of the devil?

EDIT: I just saw your final sentence.

Flag Guy · 05-20-2008, 06:14 AM

Originally Posted by troyrew

Freedom of expression the koran is the devils work I would shoot it too

well at least that is some peoples opinion

I get the feeling his motivation for shooting it up is probally tied to something other than religious beliefs, or is tied to something besides just religious beliefs..

cyeah · 05-20-2008, 07:22 AM

Originally Posted by Cyclone62

Sheesh. It's an expansion of the christian bible, much like the christian bible being an expansion of the OT.

Care to expand on that thought?

Flag Guy · 05-20-2008, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by cyeah

Care to expand on that thought?

Because Mohammad believed the Bible... other than Jesus being the son of God (Mohammad thought of him as a prophet like himself). I believe the Koran was supposed to be God's correction to some innacuracies of the Christian Bible, and a completion of it. Final chapter you could say.

I'm probally wrong on some detail of this but thats the jist of the idea he was getting at I believe

bostinelosd · 05-20-2008, 09:00 AM

His actions probably will get more people killed. There is no excuse. Even if you dont have the sames beliefs of someone, it doesnt give you the right to do something like this. Have some respect for others.

cycloneG · 05-20-2008, 09:08 AM

I guess I put this in the same category as when someone burns an American flag. Should we require other governments to punish people who partake in this act? I'm not saying that the act of shooting a book of this nature was a smart/good idea. I find it hypocritical. The same people who get all up in arms over this act are the first ones to burn a flag. Neither should be acceptable but to punish one action without punishing the other seems weak.

Flag Guy · 05-20-2008, 09:09 AM

Originally Posted by cycloneG

I guess I put this in the same category as when someone burns an American flag. Should we require other governments to punish people who partake in this act? I'm not saying that the act of shooting a book of this nature was a smart/good idea. I find it hypocritical. The same people who get all up in arms over this act are the first ones to burn a flag. Neither should be acceptable but to punish one action without punishing the other seems weak.

Right on. I was going to pull that analogy in but left it...

I do agree the solider needs to be punished, but not for the same reasons that the Iraqis are demanding it. I just think they're making a fuss for their own gains

Which has something to do with my comment about a lesser outcry over this happening to a Bible, 62

cyeah · 05-20-2008, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by Flag Guy

Because Mohammad believed the Bible... other than Jesus being the son of God (Mohammad thought of him as a prophet like himself). I believe the Koran was supposed to be God's correction to some innacuracies of the Christian Bible, and a completion of it. Final chapter you could say.

I'm probally wrong on some detail of this but thats the jist of the idea he was getting at I believe

That is what I thought. The whole they are just like us but a little different is a dangerous thing. Islam is not an extension of the New Testament, it is a refutation of all of it based on their belief that Jesus is not the Son of God.

Without the recognition of Chirst's divine nature there is no New Testament.

Islam, and especially modern Islam is the repudiation of all things Christian. Yes, Mohamud beleived in God but the road forks pretty quickly after that point and gets further and further apart.

Flag Guy · 05-20-2008, 09:37 AM

I didn't say I agreed with it, I was clairifying a point that was made.

The point of this thread wasn't to debate the validity of theological doctrine, just discuss the impact of the situation and how it should be handled.

I do agree that there are a lot of flaws to the idea of it being a little different... but if that is going to be debated that is better suited for a different thread