I think someone would have known if it had been shot down. No witness has said it was up in flames as it came down so I doubt it would have even been a possibility. For the greater good? Possibly. Probable? Doubtful.
Actually the fact that it isn't possible that they were shot down would be somewhat disturbing... I thought thats (part of) what the Air National Guard was there for :eek:
Flag Guy: You work for the government...go find the files of stuff that "never happened" :biggrin:
As for the quote... it's possible maybe he was just mis-informed about the results? I dunno how much CNN they get in the caves of Afganistan mountains... I'm sure they got reports back about the success and failures of their attack, but maybe initial reports had something different.
As for 4th plane... 3 planes hit targets, 1 didn't. If you take away the order in which they hit it could merely be a way of stating that the other plane that didn't hit it's target was headed for the captial... (we hit 3 targets, the 4th wasn't hit because the plane was shot down as opposed to We hit Targets 1, 2 and 4, the 3rd target was the dome but that plane was shot down)
Not that it really much matters
First off, I'm sure I don't have the clearance needed for that. Second, I don't have "a need to know" (Sadly, I don't think wanting to be an informed citizen is enough of a reason). Third, I work for the Navy, therefore I blame the Air Force (or I should say, the Air National Guard) :rolleyes:
Ok I should probally be careful about placing blame there... the Air Force has enough black eyes recently :biglaugh: oh wait.... :no:
C'mon people. We're taking Osama bin Laden's driver as a credible source? A guy who's never even SEEN a microwave burrito is going to explain the ins and outs of how we shot down a civilian plane? This guy went to a school where he was taught to memorize the Koran and to hate Isreal and America. He's not exactly a mechanical engineer, ifyouknowwhatImeanandIthinkyoudo.
If you're gonna start believing everything this guy says, you're gonna have a REALLY funny list of new beliefs.
1. The best way to wipe your rear end is with a handfull of freshly pulled wool.
2. Humus is better than jambalaya.
3. Bacon is bad (this alone means the guy deserves to be waterboarded, IMHO)
Bacon Strong, baby!!!
On the subject of pilots possibly shooting down a civilian airliner? Just too hard to cover up. Too many people need to be "in the loop" to do so.
First, I don't think a single air-to-air missile will put down a large aircraft, without leaving a debris trail for miles and miles. The warhead on those puppies is just too small to do the movie-esque 10 megaton explosion that disintegrates the aircraft.
At most, an air-to-air missile will prox kill an engine, which is the hottest target it could find, and the aircraft would die relatively slowly, scattering wreckage as it goes.
Plus, people would see the "naked rail" on the aircraft when it landed, and that means EVERYBODY who is standing around, on approach to land.
Weapons handlers would have to replace to missile, and the logistics system would have to account for the missing missile. And NO WAY does the government make everyone who saw the aircraft land and is part of the logistic system just "disappear." Oliver Stone movies aren't real life.
Men In Black neuralizer, baby!
A single missile might knock a plane out of the sky...it depends on where it hits.
An AIM-9, which is a heat seeking missile, would indeed hit an engine (of which the 767 has two). An AIM-120, which is an active, radar-guided missile would probably hit the center of mass. It is a larger warhead to boot. It would just take a couple of either to kick an airliner out of the air. It's likely they would have shot more than one, to boot. Remember, what they were expecting to go intercept was probably a Russian bomber which would likely have been as big or bigger than the 747, and would have had more engines, and would also have been built to survive battle damage.
In short, had an interceptor carrying live missiles been in a position to intercept the airliner, given the authority to do so, and had the balls to pull the trigger, it COULD have been shot down.
It could be covered up. Unlike the Army, pretty much everyone in the Air Force has a security clearance, and all it would take to cover it up is just to say that what happened was classified and they couldn't talk about it. Replace the missile with money from a hidden pot - the intelligence budget is huge, and largely unaccounted for. It wouldn't be difficult for them to do.
That being said, there is no doubt in my mind that the military had nothing to do with that plane coming out of the sky.