Is anyone else bothered by this??

wolverine68 · 08-28-2008, 03:11 PM

He seems to be in pretty good shape though...

wolverine68 · 08-28-2008, 03:17 PM

Okay, here is part of my problem. Yes, he was with his son, and they were celebrating the 4th, no problem there. But, his son was a student at Iowa Central and I would guess the others on the boat were also (at least some of them) from Iowa Central. If that picture was of him pouring beer down his wife's throat, or him with friends, or him with coworkers, or even him with strangers, then I would agree that it was no one else's business. If they were students, then that is just wrong.

For goodness sake, there are times that I feel like the most liberal person on this site, and now I'm being more conservative. What is the world coming to?

superdorf · 08-28-2008, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by wolverine68

Okay, here is part of my problem. Yes, he was with his son, and they were celebrating the 4th, no problem there. But, his son was a student at Iowa Central and I would guess the others on the boat were also (at least some of them) from Iowa Central. If that picture was of him pouring beer down his wife's throat, or him with friends, or him with coworkers, or even him with strangers, then I would agree that it was no one else's business. If they were students, then that is just wrong.

For goodness sake, there are times that I feel like the most liberal person on this site, and now I'm being more conservative. What is the world coming to?

If a picture wasn't taken should he still have resigned?

wolverine68 · 08-28-2008, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by superdorf

If a picture wasn't taken should he still have resigned?

If you were drunk while you were driving a car but didn't get caught, does that make it okay?

matmann22 · 08-28-2008, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by wolverine68

Okay, here is part of my problem. Yes, he was with his son, and they were celebrating the 4th, no problem there. But, his son was a student at Iowa Central and I would guess the others on the boat were also (at least some of them) from Iowa Central. If that picture was of him pouring beer down his wife's throat, or him with friends, or him with coworkers, or even him with strangers, then I would agree that it was no one else's business. If they were students, then that is just wrong.

For goodness sake, there are times that I feel like the most liberal person on this site, and now I'm being more conservative. What is the world coming to?

Agreed.

Wouldn't this have been more than a little creepy to be hanging out on a boat with your college buddies and have your dad along for the ride ?

Now if we just had a photo of Sally Mason and others obstructing justice or harassing the alleged victim of the alleged sexual alleged crime in Iowa City.... (intentional wording to keep the great Alfredo Parrish off my case).

I guess I'm of the opinion that the head boss shouldn't be getting drunk with the folks he is responsible for. Especially when he is 30 years (or more) their senior.

leg4cy · 08-28-2008, 03:29 PM

The guy was a joke in every sense of the word. His reputation in the Ft. Dodge community was in tatters before this event even occurred. It was merely the straw that broke the camel's back. Feel free to read the President's responses in the first DMRag article that got him in trouble and ask yourself how they could ever make sense. Furthermore, the son pictured in the photo was picked for his second OWI later that night in Dickinson County. Now, his son may have abstained from drinking on the boat like his father says, but I highly doubt it given the track records of both individuals. Good riddance.

aeroclone · 08-28-2008, 03:45 PM

Speaking of Sally an Co getting away with stuff under the watchful eye of the Rag, has anybody heard anything about the 3rd party investigation that was being conducted by that law firm from St. Louis?

capitalcityguy · 08-28-2008, 03:47 PM

I'm still trying to figure out the comments from people blaming the DSM Register for this?

The guy obviously used bad judgment (probably not the first time doing something like this?) and it sounds like he's raising a real winner of a son too.

You want to behalf like this? Go ahead. But don’t choose a career like a College President.

superdorf · 08-28-2008, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by wolverine68

If you were drunk while you were driving a car but didn't get caught, does that make it okay?

No...Its still wrong... but lets just say it was something that was discussed, but there was no visual proof (picture), if the guy said he would resign if he did anything immoral, would people still call for his resignation, without the picture.

CloneIce · 08-28-2008, 03:49 PM

How messed up is our society?

This guy gets fired for partying with of-age younger people. Eustachy gets fired for drinking with college students.

Ferentz doesn't get fired for protecting violent felony rapists and interfering with an investigation.

I guess the lesson is its worse to drink with college kids than it is to protect rapists and endanger young women on campus?

Or is the lesson, do whatever you want as long as nobody takes your picture? And if someone does take your picture, then God help you, cause the Puritans are coming!

BryceC · 08-28-2008, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by wolverine68

If you were drunk while you were driving a car but didn't get caught, does that make it okay?

Driving a car while impared is illegal. Partying on a boat is not.

I would not want somebody to have to resign over something like this.

CloneIce · 08-28-2008, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by BryceC

Driving a car while impared is illegal. Partying on a boat is not.

I would not want somebody to have to resign over something like this.

Bingo!

Why do people act like adults are breaking some law when they drink? For christstakes, Jesus turned a whole lake into wine. Alcohol is not evil.

Iastfan112 · 08-28-2008, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by leg4cy

The guy was a joke in every sense of the word. His reputation in the Ft. Dodge community was in tatters before this event even occurred. It was merely the straw that broke the camel's back. Feel free to read the President's responses in the first DMRag article that got him in trouble and ask yourself how they could ever make sense. Furthermore, the son pictured in the photo was picked for his second OWI later that night in Dickinson County. Now, his son may have abstained from drinking on the boat like his father says, but I highly doubt it given the track records of both individuals. Good riddance.

Agreed with pretty much all of this. Little shocked he resigned though, I figured he'd get a slap on the wrists and life would continue as normal. When he truly deserved to be gone was back in 2002 when there was some faslsifying of grades for football team, thats when they got away with murder, the severest punishment being doled out was that some of those involved had to do community service.

As far as him not doing anything illegal, I would say he might have been doing illegal thing, that but what it showed was questionable ethics and character. A public figure of this sort should be model for those he head(both students and teachers) and setting this sort of example is hardly good. Also, since he's in this position, your private life becomes less private, same as all other athletes, politicians, ect. Despite all of this, this alone shouldn't be grounds for removal, but as was previously mentioned its more of the straw that broke the camels back.

CloneIce · 08-28-2008, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by wolverine68

If you were drunk while you were driving a car but didn't get caught, does that make it okay?

I have a ? for you. Is it ok to drive a car with a BAC of .799? Its not illegal. If you are pulled over, you can drive home afterwards.

So is it actually a worse activity to drive a car with a BAC of .80001? Its a major crime.

Lots of these laws are pretty arbitrary and pretty silly. When they changed the BAC for an OWI from .10 to .08, after the law past it took 3 months for the changes to be enacted. I knew 3 people who got busted in that time frame between .08 and .10. They all got in zero trouble and were told to drive home. The same activity a month later would have resulted in criminal charges and a load of hassles.

wolverine68 · 08-28-2008, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by superdorf

No...Its still wrong... but lets just say it was something that was discussed, but there was no visual proof (picture), if the guy said he would resign if he did anything immoral, would people still call for his resignation, without the picture.

No, people would not call for his resignation.
Are you saying that the only time that we should be punished is if there is visual proof?
Are you saying that "doing something immoral" only counts if you are caught?
Maybe what this country needs is more moral integrity. Maybe if you say that you will resign if you do something immoral, then you should resign whether you get caught or not (I'm sorry, it appears that what he was doing was immoral). Maybe people in this country need to decide that what is wrong is wrong and stop blaming the people who catch them making mistakes.

On a final note. This is game day! I love a good debate, but let's be Cyclone fans today and come back to this tomorrow!!!