Buy an American Vehicle!

**bellzisu** · 11-18-2008, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by clones_jer

It seems many seemed to think there were no consequences to buying foreign underwear.

I have to ask -- do you still think this way? Do you still feel good about yourselves? Do you still feel there was no consequences to your underwear buying decisions?

COMPANY NEWS; FRUIT OF THE LOOM SHARES SUSPENDED FROM TRADING - New York Times

I blame it on these guys... They are creepy.. Who would want to buy underwear with those guys representing it.

Gotta go Hanes....

**Cyclone06** · 11-18-2008, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by brianhos

Yeah I feel good about buying a foreign vehicle. The big3 are going down in flames and they deserve it.

Why?

**brianhos** · 11-18-2008, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by benjay

Gotta bust up the UAW. Auto makers should not have to pay $30/hr to a worker to install a widget into a whatcha-ma-callit on an assembly line.

$30???? Umm try $75 an hour.

CARPE DIEM: A Cancer on the Big Three: The $29/Hr. Pay Gap

**aeroclone** · 11-18-2008, 03:15 PM

It seems to me like the system is working the way it should as long as the government doesn't try to get in the way. Poorly run companies with outdated business models are fading away as newer, stronger companies rise to take their place. It isn't always easy, it isn't always painless, but it is exactly how it should work in a free market capitalist society.

I used to buy into the whole buy American thing, but you know what, I work hard for my money and the company that can give me the best product for the dollar is going to earn my business. I purchased my first foreign car last year, and now I wonder why I didn't come around sooner.

**mplscyclone** · 11-18-2008, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by capitalcityguy

I should go back and find the thread where people have patted themselves on the back for buying (insert the foreign automaker) vehicle because it was assembled in America. To the contrary, it was also noted that it was nice and nostalgic that some of us still make it a point to buy vehicles made by American car companies.

It seems many seemed to think there were no consequences to buying foreign vehicles.

I have to ask -- do you still think this way? Do you still feel good about yourselves? Do you still feel there was no consequences to your car buying decisions?

I am happy with my foriegn car as it was the best product available. I have put over 40k miles on it (it's now at 90k) and have had no problems other than scheduled maintenance. My car also gets 35 mpg which I'm pretty happy with.

I owned a few American Cars (2 Saturns and a Ford Escort). They all had tons of problems outside of general maintenance, and they all had lower gas mileage. It cost me more to own these cars.

I want a car that gets from point a to point b in the most efficient way possible. These days it tends to be a Honda, Toyota, etc... I don't care about power, performance, or speed. I just want something basic.

If GM or Ford came out with a quality product I would consider purchasing one...

A car is a liability, not an asset. Why would the consumer take on a larger liability because it's local?

**CyBobby** · 11-18-2008, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by Knownothing

Unions, unions, unions and regulation are putting the big 3 down. When you have to compete against people with less regulation and no stupid union contracts that are unfair to the employer you are at a huge disadvantage.

For the record I drive a Dodge Charger R/T

There's a simple adage...Kiss the Unions goodbye and you can Kiss the Middle Class Goodbye...

Until Franklin Roosevelt and Unions there was NO MIDDLE CLASS..guess what boys there was only the Ultra Rich and the Poor ...Thats what the future looks like!!!

U-Guys cant all be rich only 5 percent of you are gonna make it to richland...the rest of you guys will be poor like the rest of us!!!

The future looks great if your rich ....reality bites boys it really does!!

**brianhos** · 11-18-2008, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by Cyclone06

Why?

Bad business decisions, not being able to see past the SUV, horrible contracts with the unions, bad cheaply made products.

**capitalcityguy** · 11-18-2008, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by cycloneG

What did the non-Democrat heavy Congress do? It bailed out AIT so it could go on an executive retreat at the expense of the taxpayers and then it proceeded to give them additional bailout money. I don't think party orientation has anything to do with how Congress spends our money. It has to do with lobbyists. Lobbyists back all parties so they're covered no matter who wins.

That would be AIG (not AIT) and it wasn't their executives. It was their top sales people that were given a sales goal at the beginning of the year and those that met the goal, we're rewarded with this retreat.

I don't blame you for the misunderstanding. This is the fault of the mainstream media for not understanding what they were reporting on.

**brianhos** · 11-18-2008, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by CyBobby

There's a simple adage...Kiss the Unions goodbye and you can Kiss the Middle Class Goodbye...

Until Franklin Roosevelt and Unions there was NO MIDDLE CLASS..guess what boys there was only the Ultra Rich and the Poor ...Thats what the future looks like!!!

U-Guys cant all be rich only 5 percent of you are gonna make it to richland...the rest of you guys will be poor like the rest of us!!!

The future looks great if your rich ....reality bites boys it really does!!

The unions have been great for the country, but they have lived past their useful lives.

**zach** · 11-18-2008, 03:18 PM

Could not be happier with my foreign cars(Plural) that are reliable and good looking. I also have a US made truck, however, best vehicles I have ever owned are Foreign(Toyota and Nissan) and the US vehicles are not even close in my mind...

The downfall of the BIG 3 other than crappy management are the Unions. Don't get me wrong, it is unfortunate for all of those people that may loose their jobs...I get that and it will be too bad if that is what happens.

Z

**brianhos** · 11-18-2008, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by zach

Could not be happier with my foreign cars(Plural) that are reliable and good looking. I also have a US made truck, however, best vehicles I have ever owned are Foreign(Toyota and Nissan) and the US vehicles are not even close in my mind...

The downfall of the BIG 3 other than crappy management are the Unions. Don't get me wrong, it is unfortunate for all of those people that may loose their jobs...I get that and it will be too bad if that is what happens.

Z

Management of the companies is a big problem. They are willing to sell out everything to the union in order to get short term gains, and now they are paying for it.

**Palmer** · 11-18-2008, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by capitalcityguy

I should go back and find the thread where people have patted themselves on the back for buying (insert the foreign automaker) vehicle because it was assembled in America. To the contrary, it was also noted that it was nice and nostalgic that some of us still make it a point to buy vehicles made by American car companies.

It seems many seemed to think there were no consequences to buying foreign vehicles.

I have to ask -- do you still think this way? Do you still feel good about yourselves? Do you still feel there was no consequences to your car buying decisions?

bought back to back Ford explorers...and they were crap.

never again.

Toyota now rules my house.

**CyBobby** · 11-18-2008, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by brianhos

The unions have been great for the country, but they have lived past their useful lives.

Like I said without the unions YOU CAN KISS YOUR MIDDLE CLASS LIFESTYLE GOODBYE....

**bellzisu** · 11-18-2008, 03:21 PM

The biggest problem.... 2 actually...

The US automakers made vehicles that everyone wanted 5 years ago. That was the big, gas guzzling, SUVs. Everyone had one. I'm willing to say probably more then half the people on the board had one. Or a nice sized pickup... That was in high demand and people bought them... They listened to the local market.

The global market was going towards the smaller cars, but not the local market....

2.

Unions.... They are bleeding these big 3 to death. Unions are probably the worst thing ever created in my opinion.

Notice Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Kia, or other foreign car company don't have unions....

**Mr Janny** · 11-18-2008, 03:21 PM

This thread might get moved to the cave, but I think it is a good one. I am a Democrat, yet I was not in favor of the Wall Street Bailout, and I'm not in favor of a bailout for the Big 3. I think the unions are partly to blame, but the companies themselves shoulder most of this responsibility. Like Senator Dodd said today, "Their board rooms in my view have been devoid of vision" and "The Big Three turned a blind eye to opportunities. They have promoted and often driven the demand of inefficient, gas guzzling vehicles, and dismissed the threat of global warming." Personally, I drive a domestic vehicle. All my vehicles have been. But, I certainly do not begrudge anyone from choosing a foreign car. That's the choice you can make in a free market. Capitalism at it's finest. As far as I am concerned, poor business practices should not be rewarded. And if that means that they go bankrupt, that's their own fault. And let's be honest here. We're not talking about the death of the Ford brand, here. United Airlines ran for years while in bankruptcy. The average consumer saw very little of it.