Organic Milk Down the Tubes

[GaryJohnson]

Sorry wingnuts, Whole Foods is correct on this one.

[WholeFoods]

You can do what you want. (Isn't amercia great)

I think you have been brain-washed into thinking certain things are better for you than others.

Have you heard that people can die from drinking to much water?

What have I posted that you would say that I have been brainwashed on?? Just looking for opinions.

[GaryJohnson]

What have I posted that you would say that I have been brainwashed on??

You're probably just not getting enough high-fructose corn syrup and/or hydrogenated oils like real 'murcans.

Truck Nutz!! Woooooooo!!!

[chadm]

What have I posted that you would say that I have been brainwashed on?? Just looking for opinions.

Most important things to consider when buying Milk....
1. No RBSTs.
2. Treatment of the cattle


Don't let anyone fool you into thinking that Organic is a scam.

Check the article below.

Bad-faith efforts by biotechnology opponents to portray rBST as untested or harmful, and to discourage its use, keep society from taking full advantage of a safe and useful product. The opponents’ limited success is keeping the price of milk unnecessarily high.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/29/opinion/29miller.html

[HGPuck]

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/29/opinion/29miller.html

Here is an opinion piece from the NY Times about rBST use in milk production for those interested in reading it. Not saying it is my opinion completely but it is the counter argument to the anti-rBST crowd. However, I am completely for people having the option to purchase niche products like milk from cows not given rBST. My problem comes in with the language that is used and the certification processes. Many times it is very hard if not impossible for consumers to know what "organic" or "all-natural" on a product means, particularly the latter. Some producers do a good job informing the consumer about the product but others just slap a buzz word on the label. What "all-natural" means on one product might not be close to what it means on another.

Edit: Little slow...oh well, still an interesting read.

[GaryJohnson]

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/29/opinion/29miller.html

Here is an opinion piece from the NY Times about rBST use in milk production for those interested in reading it. Not saying it is my opinion completely but it is the counter argument to the anti-rBST crowd. However, I am completely for people having the option to purchase niche products like milk from cows not given rBST. My problem comes in with the language that is used and the certification processes. Many times it is very hard if not impossible for consumers to know what "organic" or "all-natural" on a product means, particularly the latter. Some producers do a good job informing the consumer about the product but others just slap a buzz word on the label. What "all-natural" means on one product might not be close to what it means on another.

This is true, unfortuantely.

[MoreCowbell]

You want to know exactly what goes in your food? Raise it yourself (or buy direct from the source via CSA or farmer's market). You want convenient food at a low cost? Something has to give somewhere.

I'm glad there are options for those who are willing to pay more for organic milk or whatnot, just like I'm glad there's store-brand $2.89 milk for the rest of us.

[ISU_Alum_2000]

The problem is that until the FDA (or some other organization) defines the standards that must be met in order for a product to be declared "organic", it will simply remain a marketing scheme targeted at Oprah-watching homemakers (the largest group of grocery shoppers) that want to feel like they are doing something good for the world and their children.

I am all for good treatment of animals and eliminating harmful chemicals, but this "organic" business has gotten out of control.

Phew! ... that was my biggest CF rant in quite some time.

Go Cyclones!

[WholeFoods]

This is true, unfortuantely.

Very.

I believe the main confusion comes from the use of the word "Organic" itself. To be ORGANIC, you have to have the USDA label on it. You have to have the 3rd party oversee what is going on during the process of creating goods for sale. This is to VERIFY that it is Organic (all standards are met).

"All-Natural" is what it is, all-natural. Natural flavors, natural preservatives, no GMOs... it is not organic because the USDA doesn't oversee it although it may have the same standards when it comes to production.

Not a complete definition but hopefully that answers some questions. ORGANIC is overseen by an outside party. All-Natural is all-natural.

[ISUKyro]

As long as it taste good I don't care if it's organic or not.
I personally think most people who only by organic are just a bit paranoid, but more power to them if that's what they want.

[GaryJohnson]

Very.

I believe the main confusion comes from the use of the word "Organic" itself. To be ORGANIC, you have to have the USDA label on it. You have to have the 3rd party oversee what is going on during the process of creating goods for sale. This is to VERIFY that it is Organic (all standards are met).

"All-Natural" is what it is, all-natural. Natural flavors, natural preservatives, no GMOs... it is not organic because the USDA doesn't oversee it although it may have the same standards when it comes to production.

Not a complete definition but hopefully that answers some questions. ORGANIC is overseen by an outside party. All-Natural is all-natural.

Exactly. Very well-said.

[WholeFoods]

As long as it taste good I don't care if it's organic or not.
I personally think most people who only by organic are just a bit paranoid, but more power to them if that's what they want.

Exactly. It's about what you want, YOU. Everyone is different. Just make educated choices.

Just to throw this out there....

Not saying it's you, this is just general. If you are concerned about RBST, treatment of animals but choose not to act because of price, there a several 'healthier' choices than dairy that is simply cheaper. Soy Milk, Rice Milk, Almond Milk... my favorite, Coconut Milk. If you haven't tried Coconut Milk, go do it.

[chadm]

Exactly. It's about what you want, YOU. Everyone is different. Just make educated choices.

Just to throw this out there....

Not saying it's you, this is just general. If you are concerned about RBST, treatment of animals but choose not to act because of price, there a several 'healthier' choices than dairy that is simply cheaper. Soy Milk, Rice Milk, Almond Milk... my favorite, Coconut Milk. If you haven't tried Coconut Milk, go do it.

[alarson]

no GMOs...

Theres nothing wrong with GMOs. In fact, most things we use for food have been 'genetically modified' over years of selectively breeding the best crops and best livestock, we've just got ways to do it better\faster now.

[WholeFoods]

Theres nothing wrong with GMOs. In fact, most things we use for food have been 'genetically modified' over years of selectively breeding the best crops and best livestock, we've just got ways to do it better\faster now.

You're right. Didn't say there was anything wrong with GMOs. They are just not all-natural so all natural products don't use them.

Several people do stay away from them because of allergies, weight effects, and so on. They are faster, don't know about better. Better yields to feed world hunger. It's more effective and farmers can make a good living. Without them the world would have a huge hunger issue.

Doesn't mean YOU need to eat them. Doesn't mean you don't want to.

Would we be using GMOs if we were not forced to do so?? I doubt it.