Organic Milk Down the Tubes

**CycloneWanderer** · 05-29-2009, 07:56 PM

Whole Foods, why does this matter so much to you? Are you a Cyclone fan?

I don't really care about what other people buy. I do find it funny that people buy "Organic" and "all-natural" when plenty organic and all-natural plants, animals, and chemicals are extremely hazardous to human health. What they really should put on the labels is "more healthy than the normal stuff," and only if that has statistically been proven. If it is an allergy or related reason for buying a different product then I can sympathize.

**WholeFoods** · 05-29-2009, 08:02 PM

Just to add in...

I believe that conventional farming needs to be around. Organic/All-Natural products and Conventional products need to co-exsist in the world today. I don't get why people are so against one or the other. It is part of society now because extremest are the ones being heard.

What I do care about is my health, my families health, animals health, and the health of our planet (Earth). That is my stand. That is why I educate myself on what I consume and just hope others do to.

I am an extremest on two things on this subject... my health and animals health. No excuse to let either slip.

**WholeFoods** · 05-29-2009, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by CycloneWanderer

Whole Foods, why does this matter so much to you? Are you a Cyclone fan?

I don't really care about what other people buy. I do find it funny that people buy "Organic" and "all-natural" when plenty organic and all-natural plants, animals, and chemicals are extremely hazardous to human health. What they really should put on the labels is "more healthy than the normal stuff," and only if that has statistically been proven. If it is an allergy or related reason for buying a different product then I can sympathize.

Let's just say it is a hobby.

That is a Huge misconception about "Organic" and "All-Natural". They are not "more healthy than the normal stuff". They simply only use natural products. So yes, some natural products may be more hazardous but you don't see those in the market place.

**chadm** · 05-29-2009, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by WholeFoods

I am an extremest on two things on this subject... my health and animals health. No excuse to let either slip.

Your health: any proof the above you stated isn't good for you?
Animal health: If the animal isn't healthy, the farmer would lose money, this arguement is ridiculous.

**WholeFoods** · 05-29-2009, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by chadm

Your health: any proof the above you stated isn't good for you?
Animal health: If the animal isn't healthy, the farmer would lose money, this arguement is ridiculous.

First off, I'm not arguing. I'm discussing.

There is never a good reason to mistreat an animal or abuse an animal. There is no reason for use to dictate their lives. It happens though and literally there is nothing I can do about it other than not buying that featherless chicken.

**chadm** · 05-29-2009, 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by WholeFoods

There is never a good reason to mistreat an animal or abuse an animal. There is no reason for use to dictate their lives. It happens though and literally there is nothing I can do about it other than not buying that featherless chicken.

You joined today, posted in this thread only. Am I wrong in thinking you are from PETA?

You type things you know nothing about, how is gmo corn hurting cattle?

**CycloneWanderer** · 05-29-2009, 08:27 PM

Ack! You should have realized the most important question I asked was if you were a Cyclone fan! You didn't answer it so now I must assume you are a Hawkeye who joined today to get us Cyclones to not donate money to our football team and to instead spend precious resources on acquiring "organic" or "all-natural" foods.

**IcSyU** · 05-29-2009, 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by WholeFoods

First off, I'm not arguing. I'm discussing.

There is never a good reason to mistreat an animal or abuse an animal. There is no reason for use to dictate their lives. It happens though and literally there is nothing I can do about it other than not buying that featherless chicken.

I work in the livestock industry. The vast majority of livestock are VERY well taken care of. This is because those livestock are worth a ton of money to the producer, and if they're in bad shape, worth nothing to the consumer because they don't find a way into stores because no one will buy the live animal.

**kkise** · 05-29-2009, 08:36 PM

I'm guessing in a double-blind taste test, no one could tell the difference between organic and non-organic.

**WholeFoods** · 05-29-2009, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by chadm

Your health: any proof the above you stated isn't good for you?
Animal health: If the animal isn't healthy, the farmer would lose money, this arguement is ridiculous.

I wouldn't say one way or the other is healthier. Like rbST's...there is no proof on that it is bad or good for me. It is a substance that the cow doesn't get any benefit from and a human doesn't get any known benefit from. All I can say is that it is not natural to have those levels of that hormone in the cow. That's why it is not called "all natural".

Just me.. I compare it to baseball players hitting HR's because they are juiced up. They get more production. Yet fans don't praise it and shun it. That's baseball, not even close to what you consume.

**WholeFoods** · 05-29-2009, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by chadm

You joined today, posted in this thread only. Am I wrong in thinking you are from PETA?

You type things you know nothing about, how is gmo corn hurting cattle?

I'm not against GMOs. I don't know how many time I have to post that. It's just not natural.

**alarson** · 05-29-2009, 08:43 PM

Theres the thing... we've been doing genetic manipulation through selective breeding for thousands of years. Even the 'all natural' stuff isnt all natural by that standard.

**CycloneWanderer** · 05-29-2009, 08:45 PM

Why do you keep avoiding the pertinent question - are you a Cyclone fan!?

**WholeFoods** · 05-29-2009, 08:50 PM

I'm losing it.

I just can't post anymore on this. I informed you of what "organic' and "all-natural" means. Didn't say they were better, didn't say you were wrong in not buying them. Didn't say I thought farmers mistreated their animals, just said I was against it.

There is a very good reason why "natural and organic" stores do not take off in Iowa. The market just isn't strong enough and several posters show this. Not saying that is bad, just no strong market.

I'm outta here before you claim I arguing against everyone again.