Online Poker

**Marc936** · 12-10-2009, 09:45 PM

anyone play them? I just started playing regularly a couple months ago. I realized I would grind my way up to x5-7 times what i put in, get hit with a bad beat, then get so angry that i hit full tilt till i go broke.

kind of sucks when you put in $100, win a couple of tourneys, and get your bankroll up to 650, only to pull the nuts on the flop (highest hand possible) and get sucked out by a full house on the turn/river and lose $400 on that hand.

however, this time i'm writing down all my earnings/downs, anytime i go down 10% of my bankroll, i'll walk away and try again the next day.

was just curious if anyone plays as well, and what site(s) you go on

**ahaselhu** · 12-10-2009, 09:52 PM

Pokerstars, but I mostly just play for fun on the $0.25 buy-ins. I'm not near good enough to gamble any more than that.

One thing I've learned about playing the low buy in tourneys is to coast through the first hour or so. After that, the people who push all in with nothing are pretty much gone, and you can count a little more on reasonable play from the remaining people.

**Psyclone Brian** · 12-10-2009, 09:53 PM

Online Poker - Play Online at Full Tilt Poker Room

I play rather heavily... play money of course.

**Marc936** · 12-10-2009, 09:57 PM

i use both pokerstars and full tilt, main reason why i use full tilt is because i downloaded the holdem indicator and could get to use it without paying $80 by buying in with $50 on full tilt. It works really well when your playing 8 tables and things go by too fast to notice the best hand odds & pot odds

i've noticed full tilt i've been steadily gaining money, but extremely slow. Pokerstars i've been fluctuating like crazy. I'm guessing because a lot of people hang on till the river in pokerstars (its the most popular, therefore most amount of donks)

**usedcarguy** · 12-10-2009, 09:58 PM

I had a friend who got his clock cleaned playing online poker. Apparently he didn't realize that the other three guys at the "table" were friends with cell phones.

Needless to say he no longer plays online poker with real money.

**Marc936** · 12-10-2009, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by ahaselhu

Pokerstars, but I mostly just play for fun on the $0.25 buy-ins. I'm not near good enough to gamble any more than that.

One thing I've learned about playing the low buy in tourneys is to coast through the first hour or so. After that, the people who push all in with nothing are pretty much gone, and you can count a little more on reasonable play from the remaining people.

i noticed that too, best way to go at it is be extremely conservative until antes come in, then start to small ball when the money is worth it (never against short stacks or high stacks, cuz they will just call all in or raise it to the extreme) then once you hit the end you have to push a lot

if you ever play in the $5 tourneys, the play becomes a lot more conservative and a lot of post flop play. I got into the bubble majority of the times, but those people are too good to hit it big and make it in the top 3.

**1100011CS** · 12-10-2009, 10:05 PM

Centpoker.com ;)

**Marc936** · 12-10-2009, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by usedcarguy

I had a friend who got his clock cleaned playing online poker. Apparently he didn't realize that the other three guys at the "table" were friends with cell phones.

Needless to say he no longer plays online poker with real money.

how long did he play for? pokerstars and fulltilt i know for a fact has a collusion program which calculates the algorhythms on how people play when they are together and when they are aren't. Its nearly impossible to play in collusion with anyone more than an hour before you get caught and get your account banned. (They also keep your money if you are caught, so the risk isn't even worth it)

**arganbright2** · 12-10-2009, 10:09 PM

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**usedcarguy** · 12-10-2009, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by Marc936

how long did he play for? pokerstars and fulltilt i know for a fact has a collusion program which calculates the algorhythms on how people play when they are together and when they are aren't. Its nearly impossible to play in collusion with anyone more than an hour before you get caught and get your account banned. (They also keep your money if you are caught, so the risk isn't even worth it)

This was four years ago, probably before safe guards were put into place. I'm also pretty sure he wasn't playing tournaments. Regardless, I don't see how the algorythms could be foolproof, as erratic bluffing would make it harder to establish a trend, not to mention people altering their play to make detection more difficult.

**ianoconnor** · 12-10-2009, 10:29 PM

I play at Pokerstars. Usually play the $5-10 double or nothing tournaments. Or other tournaments under $10.

Cincy Reds44 is my name. I have the I State logo as my avatar.

**Marc936** · 12-10-2009, 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by usedcarguy

This was four years ago, probably before safe guards were put into place. I'm also pretty sure he wasn't playing tournaments. Regardless, I don't see how the algorythms could be foolproof, as erratic bluffing would make it harder to establish a trend, not to mention people altering their play to make detection more difficult.

simply put, imagine 2 people playing. Someone can calculate how they play without eachother and then altogether.

First if 3 people (there is like 300k playing poker non stop) all join tables together without a search (or even with a search) raises a flag.

A trend if lets say someone has the nut flush/draw, but helps pushes a bet then folds to the unlucky person goes all in and leaves the third person (in collusion) to call with a full house. It would raise another flag.

If a friend has trip K's while the third person (third person will be automatically assumed as the collusion player) has a flush/straight draw and calls while the friend folds, it would raise a flag.

If a person has 2 pairs but folds because the third person has one of the first persons outs, it would raise a flag.

If its a toss up between friend and third person and it is jus checked down, it raises a flag.

people play a lot differently with people they know and when they dont. In a charity poker tourney in illinois state, i saw one kid kicked out of the game simply because one person folded a min raise while he was short stacked to take the blinds. Turns out they knew eachother, go figure.

might i add if people who live in the same relative area keep joining the same games that aren't MTT tourneys, it will also raise a flag.

The most dangerous chances of collusion would probably in double or nothing games, when your goal is to keep your 3 friends up the entire game

**usedcarguy** · 12-10-2009, 11:24 PM

Interesting. So the key in today's game would be to become much more subtle when looking for advantages, like sharing information such as whether your friends are holding certain cards, or are they in the hands of the opposition or still in the deck - acting on shared information in a way to improve your odds but not so much as to blatantly wipe out opponents.

**Marc936** · 12-10-2009, 11:54 PM

Originally Posted by usedcarguy

Interesting. So the key in today's game would be to become much more subtle when looking for advantages, like sharing information such as whether your friends are holding certain cards, or are they in the hands of the opposition or still in the deck - acting on shared information in a way to improve your odds but not so much as to blatantly wipe out opponents.

there is a reason why it is highly setup now to keep track of what people are doing. Hell people can buy programs that will keep track for you. Knowing someones hand makes a HUGE different, it would blatantly wipe out opponents.

Imagine if you had pocket aces, and a friend mentions to you that they had another ace. Now if someone could possibly have a low set, would you call a huge raise considering you now only have a 5% chance to improve your hand while the other person could have at least a 20% chance, if not better if he hasn't already beaten you? Anyone else would of called, you instead, would fold.

**crash_zone** · 12-10-2009, 11:58 PM

I played online Black Jack a few times at Sportsbook.com. At least I knewI'm only against the computer instead of crazy people. Got on a run one night...started with $20, slowly increased my bids until I noticed I was playing $100 a hand up 1k for the night. That was enough for me....cashed out and haven't got back since.