LOST: The Substitute

**AirWalke** · 02-16-2010, 09:52 PM

Originally Posted by marothisu

It's funny how many other different numbers there are...

Yes, but none of them actually coincided with the actual "Valenzetti equation".

As much as I'd like to think that the "numbers = solved", I don't think we've seen the whole story behind them.

**marothisu** · 02-16-2010, 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by AirWalke

Yes, but none of them actually coincided with the actual "Valenzetti equation".

As much as I'd like to think that the "numbers = solved", I don't think we've seen the whole story behind them.

I meant they're "solved" in that we know they were variables of the V equation. of course we haven't, but we know at the highest level what they are and we've known for awhile.

**marothisu** · 02-16-2010, 10:28 PM

So here's a question...do you think MIB was actually a candidate who accepted the island position? Then after awhile, he found out the island is just nothing (or that's what he thinks), and got ****** at jacob, but cant leave until he finds a replacement

?

**AirWalke** · 02-16-2010, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by marothisu

So here's a question...do you think MIB was actually a candidate who accepted the island position? Then after awhile, he found out the island is just nothing (or that's what he thinks), and got ****** at jacob, but cant leave until he finds a replacement

?

Was just hashing this out with my girlfriend over IM. We're thinking the MiB is actually something of the "ultimate evil", and that Jacob is sort of a watch dog to keep him on the island.

Another thought came to mind, though... Jacob trying to find a replacement bears a striking resemblance to Inman finding Desmond to replace him in the hatch, so that he could press a button every 108 minutes and "save the world" as it were.

Hmm. Something's beginning to smell like carrots.

EDIT: Coincidentally... next week's episode is the 108th episode of Lost...

**LindenCy** · 02-16-2010, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by marothisu

So here's a question...do you think MIB was actually a candidate who accepted the island position? Then after awhile, he found out the island is just nothing (or that's what he thinks), and got ****** at jacob, but cant leave until he finds a replacement

?

Not a bad theory. I think that it could be something similar, but maybe with a twist. I am so glad they had a strong episode this week because so far this season had been more flash, less substance as a whole.

**JonDMiller** · 02-16-2010, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by AirWalke

Interesting how many times MiB has now tried to lead the "candidates" off a cliff so he could kill them and "claim" them. Jack in season 1, Hurley in season 2... Sawyer in season 6. Hm, interesting pattern... who'd he try in season's 3-5?

This show is awesome.

Like Satan tempting ****** to throw himself off a cliff whilst ****** was in the desert

**marothisu** · 02-16-2010, 11:02 PM

Originally Posted by LindenCy

Not a bad theory. I think that it could be something similar, but maybe with a twist. I am so glad they had a strong episode this week because so far this season had been more flash, less substance as a whole.

I agree. I really want to watch again...I have it DVR'd. I loved this episode and I'm hoping to god somehow we get to see flashbacks from MiB. That would be amazing...

**marothisu** · 02-16-2010, 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by AirWalke

Interesting how many times MiB has now tried to lead the "candidates" off a cliff so he could kill them and "claim" them. Jack in season 1, Hurley in season 2... Sawyer in season 6. Hm, interesting pattern... who'd he try in season's 3-5?

This show is awesome.

Maybe it's a test to see who's strong enough to "survive" and lead the island, or whatever the hell it is they want the "candidates" to do.

**LindenCy** · 02-16-2010, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by marothisu

I agree. I really want to watch again...I have it DVR'd. I loved this episode and I'm hoping to god somehow we get to see flashbacks from MiB. That would be amazing...

That would be cool. Of course it might be a flashback to ancient Egyptian or Phoenician times.

**marothisu** · 02-16-2010, 11:13 PM

Originally Posted by LindenCy

That would be cool. Of course it might be a flashback to ancient Egyptian or Phoenician times.

That's why it would be amazing...

**LindenCy** · 02-16-2010, 11:17 PM

Originally Posted by marothisu

That's why it would be amazing...

I have a feeling we will see some earlier days before we are done. Hopefully a Richard flashback too.

**isucy1234** · 02-16-2010, 11:48 PM

Originally Posted by AirWalke

Interesting how many times MiB has now tried to lead the "candidates" off a cliff so he could kill them and "claim" them. Jack in season 1, Hurley in season 2... Sawyer in season 6. Hm, interesting pattern... who'd he try in season's 3-5?

Didn't Ilana say that MIB wasn't going to change from Locke now? That he was stuck or something?

And why does MIB need Sawyer to get "home"?

This show is great.

**WalkingCY** · 02-17-2010, 07:54 AM

Originally Posted by isucy1234

Didn't Ilana say that MIB wasn't going to change from Locke now? That he was stuck or something?

And why does MIB need Sawyer to get "home"?

This show is great.

Anyone think he is just going to use Sawyer like he did Ben, to kill off the others listed?

(I still think they are playing a big game between good and evil here.)

Is the kid Jacob Reborn? Is that why MIB/Smokie was spooked when he saw him?

We need some flashbacks of MIB too....that would help- Still, a cool episode last evening. yeah LOST!

**RayShimley** · 02-17-2010, 08:46 AM

First off. AWESOME EPISODE. I was sold from the moment we had the first person view of Smokey. Just a couple notes that I haven't seen mentioned here:

We learned a lot more about the alternate reality in this episode. Did anyone catch that Locke's dad was invited to their wedding? This means he must not have been the one who pushed him out the window and he ended up crippled from some other accident.

Also answered that Rose does indeed still have cancer in the alternate reality. I thought the scene with Lock and Hurley in the alt timeline was interesting.

Regarding stuff back on the island:

I think the boy is definitely a young Jacob because MIB recognized him immediately and presumably he has not seen Aaron since he left the island as a baby. This is Lost so anything is possible, but it is Jacob IMHO.

One other thing of interest: They buried Locke's body at the end of the episode so how will that effect smokey's ability to shift shape? It's been a long standing theory that burying bodies somehow interferes with MIB being able to take their form. Ilana also mentioned that MIB is now "stuck" as Locke. I'll be interested to see why that is and what it means...