Should Kindergarten teachers earn more than college professors?

[LindenCy]

Explains the social skills..................

FAIL

Look up the graduation rates in Chicago for high school students. It is horrific, but still better than Detroit. You guys don't know how well you have it in Iowa with the school system.

[LindenCy]

College professors are the worst teachers, thats plain and simple. Many don't think they have to actually teach anything, their job is more to relay information. That doesn't take away from research and other things they do outside of the classroom but as far as being in a classroom teaching they are lacking. Most just use their time in front of impressionable young kids to spew their political agendas and puff up their own ego. IMO they're just a small part of whats wrong with the grossly overpaid and mostly redundant modern idea of higher education.

Many of them are bad teachers, which is why we need good teachers in college.

As per the bolded, it is true in too many cases, but only on one side of the political aisle (cue the cave).

[tazclone]

How do you measure importance? Do you measure importance by what people say is important or by the earnings that a profession commands?

Business owners in Cleveland would say it. They stand to lose millins with LeBron leaving town

[tazclone]

Do you know how many uneducated, low income people would start having kids just for the money? You would have to start recruiting college professors to teach kindergarten because the level of intelligence in our society would drop dramatically from all the extra births.

this already happens

[Steve]

Teachers salaries IMO are just like any other salary. If there is a high demand for teachers and not enough qualified applicants than salaries would rise. Right now becoming a teacher is relatively simple and a lot of people want to do the job. If you want salaries to rise than make the qualifications tougher, you'll have a smaller pool, and wages will increase. Don't forget having two/three months off in the summer. I'd take a 10K/year pay cut for that bonus.

It's not quite that simple. If there is a shortage of teachers, salaries would not automatically bump up to increase the supply. What is more likely is that the class sizes would increase and/or less qualified (very possibly non-certified) instructors would be assigned to teach students especially in disciplines that have a teacher shortage.

[IcSyU]

College professors are the worst teachers, thats plain and simple. Many don't think they have to actually teach anything, their job is more to relay information. That doesn't take away from research and other things they do outside of the classroom but as far as being in a classroom teaching they are lacking. Most just use their time in front of impressionable young kids to spew their political agendas and puff up their own ego. IMO they're just a small part of whats wrong with the grossly overpaid and mostly redundant modern idea of higher education.

You're painting with a REALLY broad brush. I've had many excellent professors, and some truly ****** ones, just like I had with elementary, middle, and high school teachers.

And teachers aren't underpaid. They know what to expect getting into the field. It isn't just going to magically change. The whole state of Iowa needs to do some serious work on the education system. No reason to have schools with a whole 80 kids in them. West Bend-Mallard/Twin River Valley and Sentral of Fenton/North Kossuth/Armstrong-Ringsted are perfect examples. No reason each needs to have their own stuff for everything. Woden-Crystal Lake-Titonka finally pulled their heads out and split between Algona (Titonka) and Forest City? (Woden-Crystal Lake). Corwith-Wesley-Luverne needs to do the same with either Algona or West Hancock. Get rid of all the fat, and Iowa's education system will be MUCH better.

[Marc936]

What? Are you saying being a Kindegarten teacher is easier than being a college professor or are you saying it cost less for the materials used to teach?

Either way, I would disagree 100% and so would my wife (a teacher)

well most professors need a graduate degree at the very least, many want a doctorate. A professor teaching biophysics must know it in and out. To know biophysics you essentially need to know a huge background in chemistry, math, thermodynamics, etc.

elementary ed just needs a bachelors. To teach math all you need to know is how to teach it to a kid. You dont need a higher understanding of calculus/diff eq/linear algebra


just requirement of knowledge is a lot different. Sure elementary education teachers are respected and required, but its a lot easier to produce them than professors.

[Marc936]

FAIL

Look up the graduation rates in Chicago for high school students. It is horrific, but still better than Detroit. You guys don't know how well you have it in Iowa with the school system.

well its a lot easier for them considering they get more money out of the taxes they give than chicago.

[Marc936]

personally if parents own up to their responsibilities this shouldn't even be a question. My parents taught me when i was younger up to 2nd grade. I knew enough math/reading/science for me to cruise to 7th grade without doing squat.

An hour or 2 a day sitting with your kid and teaching them stuff goes a longggggg way. I knew how to play piano, the violin, and excelled in school. This was when some doctor told my parents i would be slow and dumb in pre school. Thats why they pulled me out.

If parents took care of their kids, kindergarten teachers shouldn't be holding that much water on the improvements of their child

[tazclone]

well most professors need a graduate degree at the very least, many want a doctorate. A professor teaching biophysics must know it in and out. To know biophysics you essentially need to know a huge background in chemistry, math, thermodynamics, etc.

elementary ed just needs a bachelors. To teach math all you need to know is how to teach it to a kid. You dont need a higher understanding of calculus/diff eq/linear algebra


just requirement of knowledge is a lot different. Sure elementary education teachers are respected and required, but its a lot easier to produce them than professors.

Sometimes teachers have masters degrees. I understand you point though.

[tazclone]

personally if parents own up to their responsibilities this shouldn't even be a question. My parents taught me when i was younger up to 2nd grade. I knew enough math/reading/science for me to cruise to 7th grade without doing squat.

An hour or 2 a day sitting with your kid and teaching them stuff goes a longggggg way. I knew how to play piano, the violin, and excelled in school. This was when some doctor told my parents i would be slow and dumb in pre school. Thats why they pulled me out.

If parents took care of their kids, kindergarten teachers shouldn't be holding that much water on the improvements of their child

Not all parents are capabale of teaching their kids. I applaud your parents but there are some parents that shouldn't even have kids let alone teach them.

[3TrueFans]

personally if parents own up to their responsibilities this shouldn't even be a question. My parents taught me when i was younger up to 2nd grade. I knew enough math/reading/science for me to cruise to 7th grade without doing squat.

An hour or 2 a day sitting with your kid and teaching them stuff goes a longggggg way. I knew how to play piano, the violin, and excelled in school. This was when some doctor told my parents i would be slow and dumb in pre school. Thats why they pulled me out.

If parents took care of their kids, kindergarten teachers shouldn't be holding that much water on the improvements of their child

They maybe shouldn't have dismissed that doctor's opinions so fast, just saying.

[BryceC]

While the starting salary for a teacher is low, they eventually will reach a relatively high compensation (for only doing 9-10 months of work). They also have numerous benefits, and a union which makes it all but impossible to fire them after 2 years of teaching. Is it a considerable amount of work those first few years? Absolutely. At the end of the day though, all teachers know what they are getting into as far as salary is concerned. If they don't like it, they should have chose another career.

If you count the salary for a teacher minus the time they have off, that salary starts looking pretty dang good. Frankly I'm tired of hearing teachers whine about how much they get paid. It's tough, there is no way I'd want to do it, but there are huge bennies to go along with it.

[heitclone]

You're painting with a REALLY broad brush. I've had many excellent professors, and some truly ****** ones, just like I had with elementary, middle, and high school teachers.

And teachers aren't underpaid. They know what to expect getting into the field. It isn't just going to magically change. The whole state of Iowa needs to do some serious work on the education system. No reason to have schools with a whole 80 kids in them. West Bend-Mallard/Twin River Valley and Sentral of Fenton/North Kossuth/Armstrong-Ringsted are perfect examples. No reason each needs to have their own stuff for everything. Woden-Crystal Lake-Titonka finally pulled their heads out and split between Algona (Titonka) and Forest City? (Woden-Crystal Lake). Corwith-Wesley-Luverne needs to do the same with either Algona or West Hancock. Get rid of all the fat, and Iowa's education system will be MUCH better.

I know and thats probably a bit unfair but I was really just saying that many college profs don't see teaching as their primary duty at the school and many had no desire or education to be a teacher. It's just a means to allow them access to the resources a school has for research etc..

[CyForPresident]

I know and thats probably a bit unfair but I was really just saying that many college profs don't see teaching as their primary duty at the school and many had no desire or education to be a teacher. It's just a means to allow them access to the resources a school has for research etc..

Exactly. In college it is expected that the students have to put in the effort to learn. Its not the professors responsibility to make sure you care about thermodynamics. Its the professors responsibility to present the information in a tidy fashion, answer any questions, and test you to see if you learned it. Professors have a lot more going on than teaching, which is often maybe only 2-3 hours of work a week for a semester. The rest of the time, they are doing research.

And sorry if my poop comment upsets you. I hate kids. Absolutely ******* hate them. All they do is poop and how am I supposed to enjoy my Pabst Blue Ribbon or whisky sour with poop everywhere?