Most overrated player/coach?

[Cyznutz]

Most overrated concept of the NBA?

Defense! Fixed!

[cyeah]

Not sure where you were last Saturday afternoon but I was in the Stadium Club at Tiger Stadium with a whole bunch of people that prime the pump for the TAF (meaning donate money). Les' seat is definately warm...there is no question about it.

As for Crowton, he may end up being the sacrificial lamb at the end of the season but you are kidding yourself if you think that Miles' handprints are not all over the offense (just as Saban's handprints are all over any defense where he is the HC). Just look at LSU's propensity to run the ball (Les is a Schembechler protege) and compare that with what Crowton has done elsewhere in college...BYU, La Tech.

The buyout is chump change compared to potential loss of revenue if people decide to not re-up for season tickets that either carry a TAF fee or a Tradition Fund fee on a going forward basis.

I was with the low life's in section 303 about 20 rows up. Crowton is more than a sacrificial lamb, he is a large part of the problem. Yes Miles fingerprints are there, but Crowton's schemes are old and figured out and he is not doing anything about it.

TAF does not have an extra $7.5 M laying around to buy out a coach who is the winningest percentage coach at LSU since the 1920s. Are people ********? Yes, but any year LSU is not a run away BCS NC winning by 35+ people will ***** - that is the joy of being a tiger - expectations are high.

We can go back and forth all we want neither of us decides. Are you going to be at the McNeese game?

[michaelrr1]

Bradshaw was not that great of a statistical QB.

Terry Bradshaw - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Tom Brady is much better statistically
Tom Brady: Career Stats


To me the arguments of comparing two NFL players from completely different eras is not a good one to make. When Bradsaw played the offenses were more run based and especially because he had the "Steel Curtian" Defense and Franco Harris to hand off to. Bradshaw was asked to control the game, dont make mistakes and let the running game and the Defense win the games

Tom Brady was asked to be the leader of the Pats. The offense is based around him and his skills and offenses are much more pass oreinted than they were in the past.

Its hard to argue that Tom Brady is overated, look at his stats/awards compared to others during HIS playing time (Manning/Farve/Rothlesburger (sp)).

PS I hate Tom Brady and the Pats.

Bradshaw was the leader of those Steeler offenses. The man called his own plays. He ran the show. Who does that today other than P Manning? Brady simply does what he is told by the sidelines.

[CyJack13]

Bradshaw was the leader of those Steeler offenses. The man called his own plays. He ran the show. Who does that today other than P Manning? Brady simply does what he is told by the sidelines.

Maybe Bradshaw should have called some better plays then so he could have cut down on his ints. And unless he was calling the plays for the defense too, he's still just an average QB who played on some dominant teams with terrific defenses. Brady is the better QB, no question.

[cyclonenum1]

I was with the low life's in section 303 about 20 rows up. Crowton is more than a sacrificial lamb, he is a large part of the problem. Yes Miles fingerprints are there, but Crowton's schemes are old and figured out and he is not doing anything about it.

TAF does not have an extra $7.5 M laying around to buy out a coach who is the winningest percentage coach at LSU since the 1920s. Are people ********? Yes, but any year LSU is not a run away BCS NC winning by 35+ people will ***** - that is the joy of being a tiger - expectations are high.

We can go back and forth all we want neither of us decides. Are you going to be at the McNeese game?

I think you are wrong about the offense. I think Miles is gumming up the works. Just look at Jimbo Fisher under Saban, under Miles, and then at FSU...his worst work was with Miles because Miles fancies himself an "offensive guy" and he meddles in the offense a lot.

Did you read the article in the WSJ yesterday about Miles? A pretty long article at that. I'm telling you, my friend, that Miles' seat is warm and should he take the collar against the quality opponents in the SEC again this year it is going to move from warm to hot. Where there is smoke there is fire.

Not sure if I will be up for the bloodletting v. McNeese...maybe.

[HFCS]

judas priest is this thread "gang up on HFCS"?

I said I was listing what I thought were the best of the 90s off the top of my head. I get bashed for including Isaiah Thomas and Tim Duncan who won championships in the 90s... and also bashed for not including Shaq who didn't win a championship in the 90s but won many in the 00s (and really just slipped my mind because like it said it was off the top of my head).

Then I point out a gigantic factual error another poster has, and other posters just roll with it and ignore the massive twist of reality and continue to pile on against me, credit to that poster for acknowledging it though.

Bulls-Sonics was not a close series. The Sonics were put in a position down 3-0 where they had to win four in a row against the greatest team of all time. Series over. They didn't win a road game. No road wins when you don't have home court = not close.

I'll say when I said I thought GP was the 4-5th best PG of his era I was thinking the entire 90s and half of the 00s. Even then I may have been overstating by saying there were 4 better, I do think it's not a stretch to say 2-3 were better. Just don't think the guy was a legendary player, not denying he should have been a multiple all star. I think if he was officiated the way today's guards are he is just an above average guard. I really think a big part of how "good" he was is based on the fact that he got away with more contact than any other point guard to play the game. To be fair Stockton is in the same boat in regard to that, but Stockton was a better assist man. Both of them benefited from the era they played in with the contact they were allowed defensively, to their credit they took full advantage of what they were given.

Do you really think if Deron Williams or Derek Rose played a game like Gary Payton that they wouldn't foul out in two minutes? They would.

[GeronimusClone]

Overrated coach-Brad Childress. His team makes him look good. AGREE


Overrated player- Mark Sanchez. I just dont think hes that great. DISAGREE - looking real good in only his second year

[CyJack13]

judas priest is this thread "gang up on HFCS"?

I said I was listing what I thought were the best of the 90s off the top of my head. I get bashed for including Isaiah Thomas and Tim Duncan who won championships in the 90s... and also bashed for not including Shaq who didn't win a championship in the 90s but won many in the 00s (and really just slipped my mind because like it said it was off the top of my head).

Then I point out a gigantic factual error another poster has, and other posters just roll with it and ignore the massive twist of reality and continue to pile on against me, credit to that poster for acknowledging it though.

Bulls-Sonics was not a close series. The Sonics were put in a position down 3-0 where they had to win four in a row against the greatest team of all time. Series over. They didn't win a road game. No road wins when you don't have home court = not close.

I'll say when I said I thought GP was the 4-5th best PG of his era I was thinking the entire 90s and half of the 00s. Even then I may have been overstating by saying there were 4 better, I do think it's not a stretch to say 2-3 were better. Just don't think the guy was a legendary player, not denying he should have been a multiple all star. I think if he was officiated the way today's guards are he is just an above average guard. I really think a big part of how "good" he was is based on the fact that he got away with more contact than any other point guard to play the game. To be fair Stockton is in the same boat in regard to that, but Stockton was a better assist man. Both of them benefited from the era they played in with the contact they were allowed defensively, to their credit they took full advantage of what they were given.

Do you really think if Deron Williams or Derek Rose played a game like Gary Payton that they wouldn't foul out in two minutes? They would.

He didn't get away with more contact than other guards. There were different rules back then, you were allowed to hand check. He played by the rules. The NBA, to try to increase scoring and stop grind it out 85-80 playoff games, eliminated that rule. You don't think if Gary Payton played today, where opposing guards couldn't hand check him, he wouldn't put up 30 a game? The rules today are much more in favor of point guards than they were when Payton played, if he was playing in his prime today he would only put up that much better numbers.

And it's not a massive twist of reality to say the Sonics did challenge the Bulls, once they switched Payton onto Jordan it was a totally different series with the Sonics taking two out of three. Also you claim the Miller was the toughest challenge to Jordan, well in '98 when they took the Bulls to 7 games, the Pacers didn't win a single road game so by your own standards, no road wins equal no challenge.