Bill Belichick named AP Coach of the Year

[oldman]

You sir, are an idiot.

BB won and deserved to be in the conversation, I get that. But before you go puking up arguments you might want to know what you are talking about.

The number of missed games by Packers opening-day starters totaled 86. Here’s the breakdown. I'll even add the talent loaded replacement in (__):

RB Ryan Grant; 15 games missed. (replace by Jackson, Kuhn, and Starks)
S Morgan Burnett; 13.
LB Nick Barnett; 12. (Walden and Zombo, 3rd and 4th string)
T Mark Tauscher; 12. (Rookie Bulaga and TJ Lang)
TE Jermichael Finley; 11. (Rookie Quarless and Crabtree, 0 career catches)
LB Brad Jones; 10. (Walden and Zombo, 3rd and 4th string)
DE Cullen Jenkins; 5. (Howard Green off waivers)
FB Korey Hall; 4.
DE Ryan Pickett; 2.
LB Clay Matthews; 1.
QB Aaron Rodgers; 1.

Here is a list of other key Packers reserves that missed games this season:

DE Mike Neal; 14.
S Derrick Martin; 14.
LB Brady Poppinga; 10.
LB Brandon Chillar; 8.
S Anthony Smith; 6.
LB Frank Zombo; 3.
CB Sam Shields; 2.


The Packers scoured the waiver wire and promoted practice squad players into starting roles all season long. If those are top notch experienced players, I have something to learn.

I am admittedly a Packer fan, but, nicely played.

[gocubs2118]

Raheem Morris deserves this way more than Bill Belichick. A 10 win season in probably the toughest division in the NFC? He should have won it.

[Cy4Patriots]

I'm not saying Belichick didn't deserve to win, but you honestly look like a moron with these comments. You guys had to start a rookie RB? We didn't even have a ******* RB for most of the season! And don't forget that we lost both Finley AND Lee at the beginning of the season so we were playing with our 3rd and 4th string TE (Quarless and Crabtree (the white one..)) until Lee came back towards the end. And yes, as AlleyAddict said, Rodgers was running the offense through Finley this year so they had to basically change their entire scheme after he went down for the year. Oh, and Rodgers had 2 concusions this year as well.

And I'm not going to even let you count losing Moss because that was by choice, not by injury.

Where did I say, the Patriots started a rookie RB? You were down to 3rd and 4th string TE's? Were they rookies? Or did they have league time under their belts?

You should never run your offense through one person (Finley) that, like you said, is by choice.

Rodgers with concussions? Again, not to many QB's get concussions, maybe it was due to the fact they he tends to run up the middle and not slide every time. You think of that? Again, like you said, that is by choice.

It's okay to have a debate don't get defensive.

[Cy4Patriots]

You sir, are an idiot.

BB won and deserved to be in the conversation, I get that. But before you go puking up arguments you might want to know what you are talking about.

The number of missed games by Packers opening-day starters totaled 86. Here’s the breakdown. I'll even add the talent loaded replacement in (__):

RB Ryan Grant; 15 games missed. (replace by Jackson, Kuhn, and Starks)
S Morgan Burnett; 13.
LB Nick Barnett; 12. (Walden and Zombo, 3rd and 4th string)
T Mark Tauscher; 12. (Rookie Bulaga and TJ Lang)
TE Jermichael Finley; 11. (Rookie Quarless and Crabtree, 0 career catches)
LB Brad Jones; 10. (Walden and Zombo, 3rd and 4th string)
DE Cullen Jenkins; 5. (Howard Green off waivers)
FB Korey Hall; 4.
DE Ryan Pickett; 2.
LB Clay Matthews; 1.
QB Aaron Rodgers; 1.

Here is a list of other key Packers reserves that missed games this season:

DE Mike Neal; 14.
S Derrick Martin; 14.
LB Brady Poppinga; 10.
LB Brandon Chillar; 8.
S Anthony Smith; 6.
LB Frank Zombo; 3.
CB Sam Shields; 2.


The Packers scoured the waiver wire and promoted practice squad players into starting roles all season long. If those are top notch experienced players, I have something to learn.

First, you must not be able to have a debate without calling someone an idiot. You should respect everyone on this forum and should be able to have a constructive debate.

What a nice little breakdown of YOUR teams statistics. I have another question for you. Why didn't McCarthy get a vote? Why did 50 analysts from all over the country not vote for him? You seem to think you know the NFL better than most people, so why did he get left out? I mean I'm sure you think that those 50 analysts are idiots too and probably know nothing about football, but I'm confused to why they didn't vote for YOUR coach?

So, you believe that because YOUR team had some injuries and replacements came in, then your team has no talent? I believe your team has talent in depth along with starters. At the start of the season I don't think many rookies have talent. Now, one could argue that some talent is shown in college, but I could also argue that one might have talent in college but fall face first in the NFL. When you have been in the league for a couple years you understand what it takes to play in the NFL, rookies don't get that option. And of course the Patriots had more starters go on IR than your team, yet you believe that the Packers were more injury plagued than them. I understand the Packers are YOUR team, but give it rest. I might have to get the violin out.

[AlleyAddict]

Where did I say, the Patriots started a rookie RB? You were down to 3rd and 4th string TE's? Were they rookies? Or did they have league time under their belts?

You should never run your offense through one person (Finley) that, like you said, is by choice.

Rodgers with concussions? Again, not to many QB's get concussions, maybe it was due to the fact they he tends to run up the middle and not slide every time. You think of that? Again, like you said, that is by choice.

It's okay to have a debate don't get defensive.

Actually, both TEs the Packers are playing now are rookies.

[RayShimley]

Where did I say, the Patriots started a rookie RB? You were down to 3rd and 4th string TE's? Were they rookies? Or did they have league time under their belts?

You should never run your offense through one person (Finley) that, like you said, is by choice.

Rodgers with concussions? Again, not to many QB's get concussions, maybe it was due to the fact they he tends to run up the middle and not slide every time. You think of that? Again, like you said, that is by choice.

It's okay to have a debate don't get defensive.

Quarless was a 5th round pick in 2010. Crabtree was an undrafted waiver claimee from the Chiefs that the Packers promoted from their practice squad mid-season. Had never played in an NFL game.

Not many QBs get concussions? What in the hell are you smoking?

Oh, and sorry you're right the Patriots don't start a rookie RB, the Packers do.

[RayShimley]

So, you believe that because YOUR team had some injuries and replacements came in, then your team has no talent? I believe your team has talent in depth along with starters. At the start of the season I don't think many rookies have talent. Now, one could argue that some talent is shown in college, but I could also argue that one might have talent in college but fall face first in the NFL. When you have been in the league for a couple years you understand what it takes to play in the NFL, rookies don't get that option. And of course the Patriots had more starters go on IR than your team, yet you believe that the Packers were more injury plagued than them. I understand the Packers are YOUR team, but give it rest. I might have to get the violin out.

So now you are saying the Packers have more experienced players than the Patriots? Wrong again. Average years experience for the Packers active roster: 3.72 years, the Patriots 4.11 years. The Packers had 9 rookies on their active roster, the Patriots had 10.

http://www.patriots.com/team/index.c...ters&Print=yes

http://www.packers.com/team/players.html

[Cy4Patriots]

Quarless was a 5th round pick in 2010. Crabtree was an undrafted waiver claimee from the Chiefs that the Packers promoted from their practice squad mid-season. Had never played in an NFL game.

Not many QBs get concussions? What in the hell are you smoking?

Oh, and sorry you're right the Patriots don't start a rookie RB, the Packers do.

Again, many teams promote from the practice squad, thats what its for.

Again, the Patriots lead the league in undrafted players.

"Not many QBs get concussions? What in the hell are you smoking?"

Again, I can count a few, not MANY! I guess you view "not many" as 0. They do get concussions, usually (we'll see if you take this wrong too) they are running (by choice), like you said. You my friend, need to chill out and relax and enjoy yourself.

You really think that your team is just terrible, but yet they got in to the SB. I'm surprised they're playing in the SB, because according to you almost every player is 4th and 5th string and they just picked them up out of high school. When will you face the fact that YOUR team is good and has talent.

I have never had to tell a Packers fan, that in fact, the Packers are good. Support your roster and your depth and don't make it sound like you have nobody on your team that is decent.

[Cy4Patriots]

So now you are saying the Packers have more experienced players than the Patriots? Wrong again. Average years experience for the Packers active roster: 3.72 years, the Patriots 4.11 years. The Packers had 9 rookies on their active roster, the Patriots had 10.

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Packers.com | Player Roster

I want you to list me every rookie thats starts for your team. Go.

[RayShimley]

Again, many teams promote from the practice squad, thats what its for.

Again, the Patriots lead the league in undrafted players.

"Not many QBs get concussions? What in the hell are you smoking?"

Again, I can count a few, not MANY! I guess you view "not many" as 0. They do get concussions, usually (we'll see if you take this wrong too) they are running (by choice), like you said. You my friend, need to chill out and relax and enjoy yourself.

You really think that your team is just terrible, but yet they got in to the SB. I'm surprised they're playing in the SB, because according to you almost every player is 4th and 5th string and they just picked them up out of high school. When will you face the fact that YOUR team is good and has talent.

I have never had to tell a Packers fan, that in fact, the Packers are good. Support your roster and your depth and don't make it sound like you have nobody on your team that is decent.

You asked if they had played in the NFL before, they had not. Now you are changing the argument.

There are "not many" QBs to begin with, so 1 or 2 getting a concussion per season is a lot, in my opinion.

The Packers have talent, I just don't think they have significantly more than the Patriots.

[Cy4Patriots]

So now you are saying the Packers have more experienced players than the Patriots? Wrong again. Average years experience for the Packers active roster: 3.72 years, the Patriots 4.11 years. The Packers had 9 rookies on their active roster, the Patriots had 10.

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Packers.com | Player Roster

Quick math my friend, did you add the entire roster or the players that were on active roster? Or better yet, the players that actually played?

[RayShimley]

I want you to list me every rookie thats starts for your team. Go.

I provided the links, I'm sure with a little time and effort you can figure it out yourself. It'll be good experience for you before you start spouting off nonsense in another thread.

[Cyforce]

Okay let me help you out a bit.

1. The COY voting is on the regular season, the voters can't take in to account the playoffs.

2. The Patriots had over 15 people on IR during the season.

3. The Patriots had the 2nd youngest team in the league

4. The loss of Randy Moss broke up the offense which lead to mid-season changes.

5. Best record in the NFL

Those are some of the reason he received it.

this is where you lost all credibility.
I truly question that you understand what IR means.

[Cy4Patriots]

You asked if they had played in the NFL before, they had not. Now you are changing the argument.

There are "not many" QBs to begin with, so 1 or 2 getting a concussion per season is a lot, in my opinion.

The Packers have talent, I just don't think they have significantly more than the Patriots.

Yea, 3 or 6 percent is a lot. Take how many QB's played this year and do the math that number shrinks.

[Cy4Patriots]

this is where you lost all credibility.
I truly question that you understand what IR means.

I truly question that you understand football at all.

Are you confused by the Injured Reserve list? Do I need show you it? I am confused by why you would question that the Patriots had 15 players on IR?

Let me know...