Who is the NBA's MVP?

**JustRedman** · 03-18-2011, 11:09 AM

I am 100% biased here, but Rose gets my vote. He has them #1 in the East without Noah and/or Boozer for most of the year. The entire team will rise and fall with Derrick Rose. Even with then injuries and the lack of any other superstar, the Bulls are one team that nobody wants to be matched up with come playoff time.

I think that Rose has put the team on his back and really displayed what an MVP should be.

**isufan** · 03-18-2011, 11:12 AM

I agree 100%. It should be Rose.

**risiusj** · 03-18-2011, 11:15 AM

It's Rose and it shouldn't be close.

**CycloneRulzzz** · 03-18-2011, 11:53 AM

agree it's rose and it's not close. Kevin Love as a choice are you high? Just because he had a long double-double streak.

**cycfan1** · 03-18-2011, 12:06 PM

Without Love would the T-Wolves win one game? He has had a great season.

Agree with everyone here though, should be Rose hands down. Always going to be compared to Mike in Chicago, and Rose should win an MVP at basically the same age Mike left for the NBA.

**JustRedman** · 03-18-2011, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by CyclonesRulzzz

agree it's rose and it's not close. Kevin Love as a choice are you high? Just because he had a long double-double streak.

Trust me, I DO NOT THINK Kevin Love should even be considered. Different people have different criteria when naming and MVP. I just tried to cover the "the guy puts up good numbers on a terrible team" crowd. Rose is really the hands-down favorite.

I can't believe how Skip Bayless or Colin Cowherd (cant remember which one) just writes Rose off as a star, not a superstar. Says Rose is good, but he's not THAT good. He was the #1 pick for a reason and it has paid off this year.

If Rose had a nickname it would have to be "The Straight-faced Assassin". That guy is business-like every second on the court. The entire team takes on his personallity, which Noah and Boozer already had.

**jdoggivjc** · 03-18-2011, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by CyclonesRulzzz

agree it's rose and it's not close. Kevin Love as a choice are you high? Just because he had a long double-double streak.

If Love played for anyone else besides the T-Wolves, he would at the very least be in the discussion.

**CYdTracked** · 03-18-2011, 12:15 PM

I love watching Rose play, the guy is lightening quick and there is no way the Bulls would be where they are this year without him. If they lost Rose I don't think Boozer, Noah, Deng would be able to pick up the slack enough to keep them in the top half of the East.

**jbindm** · 03-18-2011, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by jdoggivjc

If Love played for anyone else besides the T-Wolves, he would at the very least be in the discussion.

He is in the discussion right now, but the stats alone aren't enough. For one, the MVP almost always comes from a winning team. Secondly, I don't know that he really does much to elevate the play of his teammates. The stats are certainly impressive, but I don't think an NBA team could ever be a serious championship contender if he's their best player. There's no shame in that; it puts him in the same boat as guys like Danny Granger, Monta Ellis, and Joe Johnson. All quality NBA players for sure, but their teams are going nowhere as long as they're the featured guys.

I guess it depends on what your criteria for an MVP season is. If you just go by the guy with the most impressive numbers, then Love makes sense. My personal take is that basketball is the ultimate team game, and the MVP should mean more than who stuffs the stat sheet better than everyone else. Things like leadership and other intangibles need to come into play.

**jdoggivjc** · 03-18-2011, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by jbindm

He is in the discussion right now, but the stats alone aren't enough. For one, the MVP almost always comes from a winning team. Secondly, I don't know that he really does much to elevate the play of his teammates. The stats are certainly impressive, but I don't think an NBA team could ever be a serious championship contender if he's their best player. There's no shame in that; it puts him in the same boat as guys like Danny Granger, Monta Ellis, and Joe Johnson. All quality NBA players for sure, but their teams are going nowhere as long as they're the featured guys.

I guess it depends on what your criteria for an MVP season is. If you just go by the guy with the most impressive numbers, then Love makes sense. My personal take is that basketball is the ultimate team game, and the MVP should mean more than who stuffs the stat sheet better than everyone else. Things like leadership and other intangibles need to come into play.

I didn't say he deserved it (I wasn't the guy that voted for him). Winning is a major component to who wins MVP, I absolutely agree, which is why I implied that if he was playing for a winner he'd be a serious candidate.

That being said, how do you know he's not elevating the guys around him? The way I keep hearing it, it's him there and nobody else. Perhaps it's so bad talentwise there that that level of play is elevation. Imagine what the T-Wolves would be like if they didn't have Lowe...

**CYphyllis** · 03-18-2011, 12:35 PM

I'd take Kevin Love on the Bulls in a heart beat. He can score, rebound like crazy and hit a guy 90 feet with a bullet pass right in the chest.

**jbindm** · 03-18-2011, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by jdoggivjc

I didn't say he deserved it (I wasn't the guy that voted for him). Winning is a major component to who wins MVP, I absolutely agree, which is why I implied that if he was playing for a winner he'd be a serious candidate.

That being said, how do you know he's not elevating the guys around him? The way I keep hearing it, it's him there and nobody else. Perhaps it's so bad talentwise there that that level of play is elevation. Imagine what the T-Wolves would be like if they didn't have Lowe...

I'm a big Kevin Love fan. On a quality team, I think he's an ideal second banana to a superstar player. Hell, if the Wolves could ever convince Ricky Rubio to come over from Spain or if they hadn't stupidly passed on Stephen Curry for Johnny Flynn a couple years ago, you're talking about a pretty damn exciting (if undersized) team in Minny.
But I don't think he's the kind of game changer you build a team around. Look at Minny's record compared to the crap teams in the league that don't have a Kevin Love type player - Cleveland, Toronto, etc. The records are similar and so are the talent levels. If Love was making his teammates better, his presence alone would make them 10-15 wins better than the dregs of the NBA. Instead they're all in the same spot. He's a terrific second or third option on a contender. In Minnesota, he's a guy putting up video game numbers in a vaccuum.

**CyJack13** · 03-18-2011, 03:18 PM

Love is a below average defender. I don't think you can win a title with him as your second best player. He would be a third option at best on a title contender. Also, playing for a team that's the third worst shooting team in the league helps inflate his rebounding totals. Still a very good player, but should not be anywhere near an MVP discussion.