Preseason Predictions

**chuckd4735** · 03-30-2011, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by jdoggivjc

I'm not much of a fan of either team, but that statement is certainly up for debate. Any real "success" that the Cubs truly had as an organization occurred before the Brewers/Pilots were even in existence. And at least the Brewers have been in the World Series in the last 60 or so years.

If it weren't for the fact that the Cubs are one of the oldest organizations in baseball, stating that the Cubs are a successful organization (in terms of wins and championships) would be an overstatement.

The only thing the Brewers have to hang their hats in is an AL pennant in 1982 and a wild card birth in the last couple of years. In that same time, the Cubs have won 5 division titles and have had a wild card birth. If your making the argument based solely off of world series appearances than yes, the Brewers have been more successful.

**jdoggivjc** · 03-30-2011, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by dtclones

I don't get all the Cincinnati love. They came out of nowhere last year because a bunch of guys had career years (Joey Votto) or a resurgence (Scott Rolen). I don't see it happening again. Their pitching won't cut it.

Cincinnati is as viable as any pick for the NL Central outside of Pittsburgh and Houston. With the Cardinals blowing out its pitching in spring training, the Cubs being the Cubs, and the Brewers being the Brewers, the Reds could easily win what is an extremely wide open division, even if they won it last year to players having "career years" to do so - it may not take "career years" out of Reds players to do it this year.

**pyrocyz** · 03-30-2011, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by dtclones

Oh, I guess I didn't realize he was going to be out for a while. Nevermind then.

Yeah he cracked a rib playing pick up basketball. Should be cleared to throw again very soon.

**jdoggivjc** · 03-30-2011, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by chuckd4735

The only thing the Brewers have to hang their hats in is an AL pennant in 1982 and a wild card birth in the last couple of years. In that same time, the Cubs have won 5 division titles and have had a wild card birth. If your making the argument based solely off of world series appearances than yes, the Brewers have been more successful.

But hey - at least Brewers fans don't go blaming all of their teams' problems over the last century on a goat and a dorky-looking guy wearing glasses and a Walkman, so at least they've got that going for them...

**dtclones** · 03-30-2011, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by jdoggivjc

Cincinnati is as viable as any pick for the NL Central outside of Pittsburgh and Houston. With the Cardinals blowing out its pitching in spring training, the Cubs being the Cubs, and the Brewers being the Brewers, the Reds could easily win what is an extremely wide open division, even if they won it last year to players having "career years" to do so - it may not take "career years" out of Reds players to do it this year.

I agree with you, I think a lot of people pick the Reds by default because the division is so wide open. Really, the only decent argument against the Reds is that they are kind of unproven. The Cards lost a big piece of the puzzle with Wainwright but they still have potentially a very potent line up. Nobody wants to pick the Cubs because, like you said, they are the Cubs and same with the Brewers.

**gocubs2118** · 03-30-2011, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by jdoggivjc

But hey - at least Brewers fans don't go blaming all of their teams' problems over the last century on a goat and a dorky-looking guy wearing glasses and a Walkman, so at least they've got that going for them...

Oh yes, because every Cubs fans blames the teams woes on those two things.

**jdoggivjc** · 03-30-2011, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by gocubs2118

Oh yes, because every Cubs fans blames the teams woes on those two things.

Funny - every year I see a Cubs game at Wrigley Field with my family, and every year at the souvenir stand I still see the stuffed goat wearing a Cubs jersey. And, up until at least a couple of years ago, Wrigley Field still had Bartman's seat "roped off".

It doesn't matter whether the fans still blame all their woes on those two things - the Cubs organization as a whole still does.

**dtclones** · 03-30-2011, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by jdoggivjc

Funny - every year I see a Cubs game at Wrigley Field with my family, and every year at the souvenir stand I still see the stuffed goat wearing a Cubs jersey. And, up until at least a couple of years ago, Wrigley Field still had Bartman's seat "roped off".

It doesn't matter whether the fans still blame all their woes on those two things - the Cubs organization as a whole still does.

Do you honestly believe that? Yeah they have those things there but it's all for show. I'll give you that some people do genuinely blame Bartman, but they are just plain dumb. The whole goat thing is just a running joke. Kinda like playing baseball in a dome for 20-some years, right?

**chuckd4735** · 03-30-2011, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by jdoggivjc

Funny - every year I see a Cubs game at Wrigley Field with my family, and every year at the souvenir stand I still see the stuffed goat wearing a Cubs jersey. And, up until at least a couple of years ago, Wrigley Field still had Bartman's seat "roped off".

It doesn't matter whether the fans still blame all their woes on those two things - the Cubs organization as a whole still does.

I have gone to at least one Cub game at Wrigley since 2003, and I dont recall ever seeing Bartmans seat roped off.

**CyJack13** · 03-30-2011, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by jdoggivjc

Funny - every year I see a Cubs game at Wrigley Field with my family, and every year at the souvenir stand I still see the stuffed goat wearing a Cubs jersey. And, up until at least a couple of years ago, Wrigley Field still had Bartman's seat "roped off".

It doesn't matter whether the fans still blame all their woes on those two things - the Cubs organization as a whole still does.

No they don't. Any fan who blames Bartman is a ******* idiot. But the vast, vast majority of Cubs fans do not blame him at all.

**dtclones** · 03-30-2011, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by chuckd4735

I have gone to at least one Cub game at Wrigley since 2003, and I dont recall ever seeing Bartmans seat roped off.

That's because it's a myth.

**chuckd4735** · 03-30-2011, 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by dtclones

Do you honestly believe that? Yeah they have those things there but it's all for show. I'll give you that some people do genuinely blame Bartman, but they are just plain dumb. The whole goat thing is just a running joke. Kinda like playing baseball in a dome for 20-some years, right?

...and those fans who do blame Bartman probably could not even tell you who the player was who failed to turn that double play in the top of the 8th that would have got the Cubs out of the inning.

**gocubs2118** · 03-30-2011, 09:47 AM

Uh, ya, I'm calling ******** on Bartmans seat being roped off. It's never been.

**edr247** · 03-30-2011, 09:50 AM

Twins go 173-0, AL Central Champs, AL Pennant winners, World Series winners.

**Clonegrad07** · 03-30-2011, 09:54 AM

NL East - Hotlanta
NL Central - Cardinals
NL West - San Francisco
NL Wild Card - Philadelphia

AL East - New York
AL Central - Minnesota
AL West - Texas
AL Wild Card - Boston

World Series - Boston over Philadelphia

NL MVP - Albert Pujols
NL Cy Young - Josh Johnson
NL Rookie of the year - Freddie Freeman

AL MVP - Josh Hamilton
AL Cy Young - Justin Verlander
AL Rookie of the Year - Jeremy Hellickson