Wrigley Field in "Brutal Shape?"

[Clark]

Again, that's only happened in the last 15 years or so.

Really? They didn't have streets in Chicago before 15 years ago?

[chuckd4735]

He's right, though. They are weak excuses.

Sure, SF hasn't won a bunch of titles since they moved out west, but they've been in the mix a whole lot. It can be done whenever we play.

And the Cubs have had there fair share of chances as well. AGAIN, I'm not saying they are the sole reasons the Cubs are not winning, but it most definitely put the Cubs at a disadvantage over many teams...

[dtclones]

Again, that's only happened in the last 15 years or so.

Dude, that's BS. The ambiance outside Wrigley has existed ever since I've been going to games there, which is longer than 15 years. And I'm not talking about the bars and crap like that.

[rebecacy]

He's right, though. They are weak excuses.

Sure, SF hasn't won a bunch of titles since they moved out west, but they've been in the mix a whole lot. It can be done whenever we play.

Thanks Eric -- It's hard to lose and even harder to support a losing team but let's make up excuses with merit.

[rebecacy]

Dude, that's BS. The ambiance outside Wrigley has existed ever since I've been going to games there, which is longer than 15 years. And I'm not talking about the bars and crap like that.

The crappy buildings around Wrigley ONLY have value because Wrigley is there. For a minute take wrigley away. The solution to the blight would certainly involve bulldozers.

[CycloneChris]

You are correct. It's a very historic neighborhood. My earliest Cub memories are watching the Sunday afternoon TV games in the 1960s with Jack Brickhouse doing the play-by-play. Hey Hey! The buildings across the streets in the outfield are mostly the same. There is one with a spire on it that used to say WGN9 or some such and later it said Budweiser.

I'm one of the oldest farts here and I've got your back: it IS an historic neighborhood.

Classic stuff here. Definitive answers based on your earliest memories of how the neighborhood looked on TV in the 60s. Nevermind the fact that over half the building across the street from Wrigley don't look the same as they did in the 90's, let alone the 60s.

[CycloneChris]

Dude, that's BS. The ambiance outside Wrigley has existed ever since I've been going to games there, which is longer than 15 years. And I'm not talking about the bars and crap like that.

Honestly, how old are you, and what do you consider "ambiance"

In the early 90s, was it the car wash, McDonalds, and el station?

[CycloneChris]

Really? They didn't have streets in Chicago before 15 years ago?

Really? I can tell why you are a Cub fan.

[Clark]

Really? I can tell why you are a Cub fan.

Yes or no. Were those streets there longer than 15 years. I'm sure they've been repaved over the years, but has Sheffield, Waveland, Clark, and Addison been there over 15 years?

[CycloneChris]

Yes or no. Were those streets there longer than 15 years. I'm sure they've been repaved over the years, but has Sheffield, Waveland, Clark, and Addison been there over 15 years?

The streets have been there for more than 15 years. What's your point? Make sure you re-read the thread to not look like an idiot if you choose to continue.

[Clark]

You do realize that the neighborhood "history" as you know it is about 15 years old.

you do realize I wasn't referring to the bars and businesses as "history"

How many other ballparks can fans of the team who aren't from that city name the streets surrounding the ballpark?

Again, that's only happened in the last 15 years or so.

Really? They didn't have streets in Chicago before 15 years ago?

The streets have been there for more than 15 years. What's your point? Make sure you re-read the thread to not look like an idiot if you choose to continue.

What am I missing? I've stated since the beginning I was talking about the street names and yet you kept saying that it only happened in the last 15 years.

[colbycheese]

Yea, I love Busch Stadium. It captures all that is good about St. Louis and yet has real bathroom fixtures.

I went to my first game at Busch Stadium last year. It's a beautiful stadium. That said, my seats were in the upper deck in left field and I COULDN'T SEE LEFT FIELD. What gives? There was 8 home runs in that game and I only saw 3 of them because of the terrible seating design.

I've never been to Wrigley Field. Hopefully I'll make it soon, just in case they do decide to replace it (which I doubt will happen).

[rebecacy]

And the Cubs have had there fair share of chances as well. AGAIN, I'm not saying they are the sole reasons the Cubs are not winning, but it most definitely put the Cubs at a disadvantage over many teams...

Let's just look at their last two chances.....................none of your reasons fit, they just plain choked under the pressure

[chuckd4735]

Let's just look at their last two chances.....................none of your reasons fit, they just plain choked under the pressure

Am I arguing that?

I simply stated it puts the Cubs are at a disadvantage compared to just about every team in the league. I'm not using these reasons as excuses, I'm just pointing out the disadvantages. As I have stated before, those disadvantages can be overcome, but they are still disadvantages.

Are you really trying to tell me teams with ballparks that are just about always a hitters park or a pitchers park, teams with up to date facilities, and teams who play a vast majority of their games at one set time have no advantage over the Cubs?

[CycloneChris]

What am I missing? I've stated since the beginning I was talking about the street names and yet you kept saying that it only happened in the last 15 years.

I never said the streets were only named in the last 15 years.