Matt Holliday is a dirty player

**ItsCyence** · 07-30-2011, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by Doc

Sure looks dirty from that pic. He started that slide so late that Castro had no time to prepare or hop over him. It's fine to go in real hard but to start the slide that late is dirty. Castro is lucky he didn't get injured.

I agree.

**geburgess** · 07-30-2011, 05:49 PM

So were complaining about a little bit of dirt in a rivalry series? Typical Chubbies...

**CloneFan4** · 07-30-2011, 06:05 PM

That play was very dirty. The throw was already starting to leave his hand and there's no way there was any other intent than to hurt. Would've expected this from the Cards but not Holliday. If he did break his ankle I would hope the Cubs would bean his *** in the head. You dont take out a young franchise player like that. **** the Cards.

**Acylum** · 07-30-2011, 06:33 PM

An injury to Castro would pretty much doom the Cubs' chances of winning the division. Oh wait..

**CloneState1028** · 07-30-2011, 06:35 PM

Oh please. Dirty play and dirty player are two very different things. The Cubs are ******* attrocious, stop watching if all you want to do is *****.

**tm3308** · 07-30-2011, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by CloneState1028

Oh please. Dirty play and dirty player are two very different things. The Cubs are ******* attrocious, stop watching if all you want to do is *****.

There's a difference between b*tching about a no-call on a play like that, and b*tching about our sh*tty play in general. I still watch this terrible team, and that play was huge. Scored two runs, when the inning should have been over, and then Samardzija does his thing.

**CyDude16** · 07-30-2011, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by CloneState1028

Oh please. Dirty play and dirty player are two very different things. The Cubs are ******* attrocious, stop watching if all you want to do is *****.

Cause Cardinals fans never constantly *****! Cue rebecacy

**MNCYWX** · 07-30-2011, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by gocubs2118

Talk about a late slide, he didn't even start it until he got to the base. He easily could of broken Castro's ankle.

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I bet if he was sliding into home he'd slide around the plate and try slapping the plate with his hand.

I don't get why players feel the need to slide into the 2b/ss but avoid contact with the catcher. If the play is close, they'll most likely be out trying the swipe slide.

</rant>

**cyko42** · 07-30-2011, 06:42 PM

I am a cards fan. So all the cubs fan will probably disagree entirely. But while late it wasn't 'dirty' he didn't come in with a high leg or spikes up. That's an opinion its up to each person to decide what is dirty, what is not. If the cubs thought it was dirty they should of settled it in his next at bat (which I was expecting), but didn't. I guess if its not worth drilling a guy in a 10-5 game when your 22 games under .500 probably not 'dirty'. Also its a judgement call but if you can touch the base its not interference.

**dmg89** · 07-30-2011, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by cyko42

I am a cards fan. So all the cubs fan will probably disagree entirely. But while late it wasn't 'dirty' he didn't come in with a high leg or spikes up. That's an opinion its up to each person to decide what is dirty, what is not. If the cubs thought it was dirty they should of settled it in his next at bat (which I was expecting), but didn't. I guess if its not worth drilling a guy in a 10-5 game when your 22 games under .500 probably not 'dirty'. Also its a judgement call but if you can touch the base its not interference.

He came in high enough with his spikes because Castro's sock was ripped because of them.

**tm3308** · 07-30-2011, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by MNCYWX

<rant>
I bet if he was sliding into home he'd slide around the plate and try slapping the plate with his hand.

I don't get why players feel the need to slide into the 2b/ss but avoid contact with the catcher. If the play is close, they'll most likely be out trying the swipe slide.

</rant>

Guys do that to break up double plays. When you're going home, the ONLY objective is to score. On a double play ball, if the runner from first knows he is going to be out, he will try to break up the play. But going home, there is no such reason to SEEK contact.

**baller21** · 07-30-2011, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by tm3308

Guys do that to break up double plays. When you're going home, the ONLY objective is to score. On a double play ball, if the runner from first knows he is going to be out, he will try to break up the play. But going home, there is no such reason to SEEK contact.

Unless the catcher is waiting for you with the ball and your trying to knock it out of his glove.

Also, anyone intentionally trying to break up the DP should be called out if they completely miss the bag.

**rebecacy** · 07-30-2011, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by gocubs2118

Talk about a late slide, he didn't even start it until he got to the base. He easily could of broken Castro's ankle.

IT's baseball not tennis.

**JP4CY** · 07-30-2011, 07:34 PM

How about next time he slides like that Castro just throws the ball right at his face? Looks to me like his head is jersey letter high at the 2nd base point.

**tm3308** · 07-30-2011, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by baller21

Unless the catcher is waiting for you with the ball and your trying to knock it out of his glove.

Also, anyone intentionally trying to break up the DP should be called out if they completely miss the bag.

With the ball already at the plate, you have little chance to score either way. Going around is less likely to get yourself hurt.

That's already in the rules. That would be interference.