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Re: Cubbies new GM?
 Originally Posted by CyJack13 Not lately though. I can't believe the ignorance of people who say this about Francona and Epstein. Its not their fault that a guy like Lackey stopped training when he got paid and Carl Crawford got off to a horrible start and couldn't handle it mentally.
I guess what have you done for me lately is just too prevalent.
Half the Red Sox starting rotation was hurt the last half of the year including Beckett who pitched through it most of the 2nd half. Its totally Francona and Epstein's fault for that.
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I sure hope not....I like what he's done with the Sox. Minus JD Drew, John Lackey, Julio Lugo, and Dice-K. But every GM is going to have a few of those. But seriously, hope this doesn't happen.
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Love this!!! He was seen at the Starbucks a block from my apt this past weekend....please make this happen and sign CJ Wilson...that's all I ask for!!!
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 Originally Posted by Creed I sure hope not....I like what he's done with the Sox. Minus JD Drew, John Lackey, Julio Lugo, and Dice-K. But every GM is going to have a few of those. But seriously, hope this doesn't happen. What has he done lately that any other GM couldn't do with the same resources? Nothing. He was great, but now he's nothing special.
Not saying I want him gone, but I won't care too much if he leaves.
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Re: Cubbies new GM?
 Originally Posted by HiltonMagic What has he done lately that any other GM couldn't do with the same resources? Nothing. He was great, but now he's nothing special. I guess you have a point. The main thing he did was bring in the numbers game to the Sox as well as building the farm system. I guess I would be fine with him going as long as the replacement has the same philosophy.
It would be a great hire for the Cubs, as they have been last or near the bottom for walks the last few years, and I don't think that is a coincidence. Personally I think they needed to blow it all up last year and start rebuilding. Then they got Garza and Pena and confused me.
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Re: Cubbies new GM?
 Originally Posted by cycub51 I can't believe the ignorance of people who say this about Francona and Epstein. Its not their fault that a guy like Lackey stopped training when he got paid and Carl Crawford got off to a horrible start and couldn't handle it mentally.
I guess what have you done for me lately is just too prevalent.
Half the Red Sox starting rotation was hurt the last half of the year including Beckett who pitched through it most of the 2nd half. Its totally Francona and Epstein's fault for that. Umm yeah, that's exactly a GM's job, they need to bring in guys who can thrive in their organization. By your logic it's not Hendry's fault that Zambrano was never able to develop into a true ace or that Soriano started declining after two years with the Cubs.
Here's Epstein's major free agent signings since '05: Edgar Renteria, Julio Lugo, J.D. Drew, Daisuke Matsuzaka, John Lackey, Marco Scutaro, Mike Cameron, Carl Crawford and Bobby Jenks. Not a good list at all. -
Re: Cubbies new GM?
 Originally Posted by CyJack13 Umm yeah, that's exactly a GM's job, they need to bring in guys who can thrive in their organization. By your logic it's not Hendry's fault that Zambrano was never able to develop into a true ace or that Soriano started declining after two years with the Cubs.
Here's Epstein's major free agent signings since '05: Edgar Renteria, Julio Lugo, J.D. Drew, Daisuke Matsuzaka, John Lackey, Marco Scutaro, Mike Cameron, Carl Crawford and Bobby Jenks. Not a good list at all.
Well since the free agents aren't good enough for you, how about the trades? Orlando Cabrera and Doug Mientkiewitz (defense for WS win), Jason Bay (for Manny Ramirez, Bay was good, manny on the decline), Victor Martinez, Jarrod Saltalamacchia. That looks like a good list to me.
Free Agents: Bill Mueller (batting champ), Kevin Millar (cowboy up), Adrian Beltre (put up over about 30 homeruns and batted over .320), David Ortiz (no need to go further with that one. Point is, every GM makes good and bad decisions. Hindsight is 20/20. And the Red Sox won 2 World Series with him.
Edit: Forgot to even mention Adrian Gonzalez
Last edited by Creed; 10-11-2011 at 07:43 PM.
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Re: Cubbies new GM?
 Originally Posted by CyCrazy I have a bad feeling this is the one guy that could change the tide in Cubbieville. I'm 58 -- there have been at least 100 cubs saviors in my life time. And at least 75 in the 45 previous years. Not too concerned.
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Re: Cubbies new GM?
 Originally Posted by Creed Well since the free agents aren't good enough for you, how about the trades? Orlando Cabrera and Doug Mientkiewitz (defense for WS win), Jason Bay (for Manny Ramirez, Bay was good, manny on the decline), Victor Martinez, Jarrod Saltalamacchia. That looks like a good list to me.
Free Agents: Bill Mueller (batting champ), Kevin Millar (cowboy up), Adrian Beltre (put up over about 30 homeruns and batted over .320), David Ortiz (no need to go further with that one. Point is, every GM makes good and bad decisions. Hindsight is 20/20. And the Red Sox won 2 World Series with him.
Edit: Forgot to even mention Adrian Gonzalez Theo Epstein prior to 2005-06 range was a terrific GM. I wouldn't argue that at all. Since then he has been a pretty average GM. He's handed out some terrible contracts and depleted a lot of their farm system. I don't think he's a bad hire at all, but his track record as of late isn't too great.
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I'd be ok with the Cubs hiring Theo. I'd prefer us to get our hands on, who I believe to be the best GM in the game, Andrew Friedman the Ray's GM. Better track record of putting together teams of less to still win 85+ games in the AL East, and developed a system of producing talent and a plethora of pitchers. Theo hired a great manager in Francona, acquired the right free agents, and held onto the players they had... not too much of a record of developing talent, although that being said a lot of the prospects in the Red Sox organization has been traded to acquire players.
I think the approach the Cubs need to take is to develop talent within, and acquire prospects and then combine it with some free-agent talent... this being after we purge 70% of the players on the current roster. With Theo, I feel he's just going to want to get a lot of good players (who happen to be older) and put together a good sabermetric team that will still be a high payroll and I fear will probably age poorly. And then you can end up with a team like this year's Red Sox (although I still think it was an anomaly, that team had no pitching due to injuries and if healthy, should have won 100 games).
Long story short, I hope he'd do well, but I think there is better out there.
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Cubbies still have a long ways to go to prove they can do anything besides put butts in the seats.
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Re: Cubbies new GM?
 Originally Posted by rebecacy I'm 58 -- there have been at least 100 cubs saviors in my life time. And at least 75 in the 45 previous years. Not too concerned. I hope you are right. Now get me some WS tickets when the Redbirds face the Rangers this year. -
Re: Cubbies new GM?
 Originally Posted by CyCrazy I hope you are right. Now get me some WS tickets when the Redbirds face the Rangers this year.  How would the Hardee's Suite suit you???
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Sounds like its been done. Welcome to Chicago Theo, I'll be watching! http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba...ston_red_.html
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Re: Cubbies new GM?
 Originally Posted by rebecacy How would the Hardee's Suite suit you??? It would be decent. I was looking for behind home plate though.
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